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1 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | jlhetrick | 167422 | ||
Hello Mitch, You sound like a man who truly believes in God and is truly thankful for a lot of stuff. What concerns me, however, is your unscriptural approach to living the Christian life. I have read all of your posts here and have read this particular one twice now. What I understand from your words is that; if it works for me it has to be from God. Perhaps even: if it works for me I'll take it. This is very concerning. The "Word of Faith" movement is unorthodox and guilty of "FALSE TEACHING". That specifically includes the leaders within this movement, some of whom you have named in your post. You don't take my word for that, nor Brad's. It is a fact supported by centuries of well established doctrine. This false teaching preys on the one thing that has become one of the greatest misfotunes of Christianity. The fact that most Christians of today have little or no desire to study and know doctrine. as a result we open ourselves up to believe anything at all, especially if there is a benefit in it for us. For example. the WOF teachers use a portion of scripture 'by his stripes we are healed" and assign it meaning that is not only wrong, but proven in every single case to be wrong. You say, "it brings total physcial healing to my body" referring to the Cross. Wrong. Your body remains under the curse and will die. How many people do you know that believe like you say you do, who have developed physical illness and who have died. I know, I know, the teachers would have you believe that their illness were brought on by sin and unbelief. That's fine, until it happens to you. And it will. Your body is dieing even as you read this, so is mine and every other living human person. Remember Satan in the desert with Christ? What did he do? He quoted scripture out of context. Not to mention what he (Satan) promised (but I will). Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. But we are not to approach scripture in this way. Looking to obtain stuff. we are to seek the truth and apply it accordingly. So again, I'm not asking you to take my word or Brad's word for anything. Do the research for yourself. You have the internet, start with the Christian Research Institute CRI website. Do a search on the word of faith movement and the individual teachers. Take your own books, if you have any and line up their teachings with scripture. You'll find that you can't. Not when there considered with scripture in it's appropriate context the way God gave them. Hey, If I am wrong, if thousands of years of doctrine is wrong, no worries. You will discover the truth and keep your 100 fold. But if you are wrong, be prepared. You may have to give up some of the things of this world. But what's more imortant? The truth is. In Christs' love, Jeff PS. Mitch, take this challenge seriously, to research this and seek the truth. I had the very same challenge made to me. I was a hardcore Kenneth Copeland fan. The money and all. He was on the board of a church I used to attend. I watched him on TV every chance I got (almost daily), read his books, etc. Then the challenge. Then the research and personal study of God's word. Then the repentance. Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; |
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2 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mark d seyler | 167433 | ||
Hi Jeff, Your love shows through this post, and warms my heart. I pray your words will help lead Mitch to the blessing you have received. God bless you my brother! Love in Christ, Mark |
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3 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167437 | ||
Thank you brother for your concern, but I want to make it very clear that you have no authority to pray that for me. God has revealed himself to me as my healer, and my provider, call me a name it and claim it, and a blab it and grab it feller if you like :) Thats fine by me, Jesus said that when you have the 100 fold return persecution would come, and I don't mind it. But thanks for your concern. God Bless, Mitch |
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4 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167438 | ||
Greetings Mitch! Why wouldn't Mark have the authority to pray that prayer? Don't we get what we claim? :-) Sorry, I couldn't resist! :-) On a series note, where exactly does Jesus say that we would be persecuted for getting a 100 fold return? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167441 | ||
Joke at me all you want, I don't mind. I am saying he has no authority in that prayer, because God wont answer a prayer thats not based upon his Word, and that would harm another person would he? As for persecuted for getting a 100 fold return, Jesus said that in Mark 10:30 Mitch |
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6 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167444 | ||
Greetings Mitch! I wasn't joking at you my friend, but with you! :-) Thanks for providing the Scripture reference. However, did you notice that you very subtly misquoted Mark 10:30? That verse does not say 'you will be persecuted FOR getting 100 fold return'. It says, "with persecutions". The persecutions are part of the 100 fold that they will receive. Given that everything else in the list is received from God, it could be argued that the persecution is as much a gift as everything else in the list. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167446 | ||
I didn't even quote the scripture Brother, I just referenced it to you. Hard to misquote something you didn't type out. And yes, it says 'with persecutions' He is saying that you will recieve persectuions while you are recieving a hundredfold return on what you have given up. Everything else listed is what was given up, and you are getting 100 fold in return. If you are correct, and Jesus is not saying that persecutions are coming because of the 100 fold return, then wouldn't we in the previous verses have to have listed that we gave up houses and children adn lands and persecutions? How does a man give up persecutions for Jesus sake? So he has to be talking here, that we will recieve persecution, becuause of the 100 fold. So we recieve the persectuions, because with the 100 fold, and since I am living in 100 fold return, and I'm persecuted because of my faith in it, I'd have to say that Jesus was right :) God Bless |
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8 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167448 | ||
Greetings Mitch! Perhaps it would have been more accurate for me to say that you subtly mis-alluded to it! :-) The simply fact is that nothing in the verse says that the persecution is because of receiving a 100 fold in return. We can't simply add words that aren't there! Further, you are not being persecuted my friend, just questioned! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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9 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167455 | ||
The KJV adds words that aren't there all the time. Thats what the italics are :) But I agree, you can't just add in words to fit what you want it to say. However, I'm saying that from the way it reads, it means that you will recieve persectuion with the 100 fold return. I'm saying just that, a person who recieves 100 fold will with that 100 fold, recieve persecutions. If thats not what you think, what do you believe it is saying? | ||||||
10 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167464 | ||
Greetings Mitch! You have stated it a little differently this time than before. Before, you stated that Jesus said we would be persecuted for receiving a 100 fold return. Now, you are saying that a person who receives a 100 fold return will also receive persecutions. The latter is true to what the text actually says, but not the former. There is nothing in the text to indicate that the persecution comes BECAUSE of the 100 fold increase. The text only says that persecution will come WITH it. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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11 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167508 | ||
Is there something in the text that shows that persecution comes with it and not because of it? At any rate if it comes because of the 100 fold, or with it, is it not the same? If I am living in 100 fold, I should expect to be persecuted correct? Isn't that what we are both saying? |
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12 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167512 | ||
Greetings Mitch! Sorry about the delay! I did not receive notification that you had responded. :-( Allow me to touch upon your questions: 1) The word 'with' indicates that persecution comes with it, but says nothing about the cause. 2) All Christians will face persecution according to Scripture, so I can't say that the persecution is because of the 100 fold or simply comes with it. Side Note: I am very particular about wording for a reason. Most false doctrine is easily disproven with Scripture. However, it usually is accepted because so many do not pay close attention to what the text actually says. It is very different to say, 'persecution accompanies blessing' or to say, 'persecution is caused by blessing'. The first is simply a statement of fact, the second is a statement of cause. So, if I seem particular, I am! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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13 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167524 | ||
Its good to be particular brother, I wouldn't want to discuss the Word any other way. However, what I'm seeing here, is that the word with, yes does show you that persecution comes with the 100 fold. Thats all I'm trying to say, when you recieve the 100 fold, then you get persecution with it. Now this is a crazy illustration, but let me just go ahead and say it... Lets say I buy a brand new dodge truck, and when you purchase this particular truck, you get a person with it that follows you around and throws pie in your face all day long. I could say I have the pie throwing man because I bought the truck? Because he came with the truck... correct? Thats all I"m saying brother. I'm saying you get the persecution, when you get the 100 fold. Mitch |
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14 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167553 | ||
Greetings Mitch! Greek is a very precise language. The prepostition translated as 'with' does not indicate cause. Therefore, textually it would be inaccurate to say that the 100 fold return is the cause of the persectution. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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15 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167569 | ||
Even if it doesn't indicate 'cause' as you say. I'll believe that... actually give me some insight, I understand we read the Greek, and go on it, but is that what Jesus would have spoken in, or would he have spoken in Aramaic? Anyways.... the text clearly shows that the persecutions come with the 100 fold. So we can easily say if you have the 100 fold.. you have the persecutions.. .and on the same note, you can also say that if you dont hae the 100 fold, those persecutions that come with giving up something for the Lord, won't be with you then will they? If you get A, you get B. To get rid of B, don't get A... correct? |
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16 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | Morant61 | 167571 | ||
Greetings Mitch! It really doesn't matter what language Jesus spoke, since the inspired word of God was written in Greek (at least the NT was). We have to go by what the text actually says, not what we want it to say. Your final A / B illustration doesn't work because a) We don't know the relationship between A and B; and b) Persecution is common to all believers in Scripture. :-) Anyway, I have to get to bed. I work nights! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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17 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167654 | ||
Well you can try to read it however you want. From what I see in the passsage, the Word says if you give up those things, you get 100 fold in return (except wives ) and you get persecutions. When I learned cause and effect in grammar school I was tarught you don't have to use the words such as because and since, it can be implied. And when you tell me that I get such and such, and say with such and such, then you easily show me that one comes with the other, meaning if I don't have one, i wont get that other. I know bleievers suffer persecution but I bleive this scripture is showing us that there is persecution which comes wtih this 100 fold return. Meaning, someone who has the 100 fold in their lives, might be suffering something that someone who doesn't. Thats all I'm saying, the word says persecution comes with the 100 fold. Its that simple. God Bless, Mitch |
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