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1 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mark d seyler | 167435 | ||
Hi Mitch, I appreciate that you only wish to discuss Scripture. I'd like to first clear away a few things, so that they do not cloud our judgment. If we believe that God sometimes brings suffering into our lives, we do not need to believe that it would not be God's will to later remove that suffering, so we do not need to close the hospitals. I don't think the doctors heal anyway. I think God does that. But my point is, we need not project extremist positions on those who disagree with us in order to discredit their views. Would you agree with this? I am convinced enough that God uses trials of all sorts, including physical infirmities and sickness, as part of the process of sanctifying us, that I do pray for whatever trials God has ordained to complete my maturity. I also pray for the strength to endure them, and that they accomplish their perfect work, making me complete. We need not fear trials, nor think of them as something bad. Suffering is suffering, no matter what the source, right? So we can speak of suffering that results from an accident, or crime, or bacteria, or virus, or any other source as the same. Would you agree with this? Ok. So I've told you pretty much where I stand. This is my question for you. When Paul wrote to the chuch in Rome, he said: Rom 8 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. We know that we have been spiritually redeemed. But does not this passage tell us that our bodies have not yet been redeemed, and, along with creation, still suffer the slavery of corruption? And that this will not change (and here we draw our understanding from other passages as well) until the end of the age, at the restoration of all things? What do you think? Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167439 | ||
Thank you for bringing scripture before me! Thats why I'm here, I'm eager to discuss the Word of God, so lets get started, and if I miss anything, please let me know. I want to answer all of it. Ok, my point about hospitals is this. If someone thinks that at times God decides someone should have a terrible ilness, and at times he decides that a person should die of a sickness. Then why would we want that person to go the hospital? I believe God does not want men to look at pornography. So I will do everything in my power to make sure its not even an option in my country. I don't even want it on pay per view, or in 'adults only' stores. I don't want it anywhere, because the will of God, is to not have that sin in my nation. So if it is God's will that some people are sick, then if a person believes that, they should never seek medical treatment, because as they think, God will either heal them, or he will not. Also, they should support things like abortion, because maybe God wanted that little child to be pulled limb from limb from their mothers womb. ( Thats absurd isn't it? ) But think about it, is it really God's will that 5000 children a day are killed in abortion, or is it his will for those who get all their skin burned off in a house fire? If a person thinks that sometimes God sends sickness to teach someone a lessson,then I'm simply saing they should praise God for those things, and be happy when their children have the same thing, as well as they should want to see all hospitals shut down, because those hositals might be treating someone, that God wants to die. As for trials, well I can say that in this life we are tried and tested. But I find no scripture that says we are tried by God. Can you? I've yet to find a scripture that says God sends the trial, you could think that at times he has to allow it, because he has made himself dependent on our faith at times, but I see no scripture which says he sends those trials. I believe that there may come a time where I could suffer for Christ, such as being persecuted for my beleive in Jesus, martyred ( spelling sorry ) or put in prison, I understand those things happen, and I would rejoice in those things. But nowhere do we see that sickness and disease are part of our suffering do we? Thats what I see in this passage of Scripture, yes it talks of suffering, but again I ask, where does scritpure say that suffering is sickness and disease. I don't care if they lock me up in prison, God will deliver me out of that wont he? I dont care if they stone me to death, I look up into heaven and see JEsus standing at the right hand of the Father. I'm simply saying, suffering is because of God, because of what I believe, and what people don't want me to belive, not from God. As Romans 8:23 points out, there is still a final redemption for our bodies, when Christ comes back, I will then take on complete imortatility. Luke 21:28 points out that our redemption will come. We then, will be totally redemmed from even persecutions at that point. So what I'm saying brother, is that nowhere in scripture does God send sickness on his children. It might happen in judgement, for those who are disobedient, but God had already made sure there was a way they never had to go through it. God Bless, Mitch |
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3 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mark d seyler | 167445 | ||
Hi Mitch, What does "slavery to corruption" as it relates to the creation, including what we might think of as the world of nature, and including our own bodies, mean to you? Is this not the continual deterioration of our bodies, and of the natural world? Love in Christ, Mark |
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4 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167453 | ||
I'm sorry brother, but I don't fully understand your question. Could you rephrase it? | ||||||