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1 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | jlhetrick | 167422 | ||
Hello Mitch, You sound like a man who truly believes in God and is truly thankful for a lot of stuff. What concerns me, however, is your unscriptural approach to living the Christian life. I have read all of your posts here and have read this particular one twice now. What I understand from your words is that; if it works for me it has to be from God. Perhaps even: if it works for me I'll take it. This is very concerning. The "Word of Faith" movement is unorthodox and guilty of "FALSE TEACHING". That specifically includes the leaders within this movement, some of whom you have named in your post. You don't take my word for that, nor Brad's. It is a fact supported by centuries of well established doctrine. This false teaching preys on the one thing that has become one of the greatest misfotunes of Christianity. The fact that most Christians of today have little or no desire to study and know doctrine. as a result we open ourselves up to believe anything at all, especially if there is a benefit in it for us. For example. the WOF teachers use a portion of scripture 'by his stripes we are healed" and assign it meaning that is not only wrong, but proven in every single case to be wrong. You say, "it brings total physcial healing to my body" referring to the Cross. Wrong. Your body remains under the curse and will die. How many people do you know that believe like you say you do, who have developed physical illness and who have died. I know, I know, the teachers would have you believe that their illness were brought on by sin and unbelief. That's fine, until it happens to you. And it will. Your body is dieing even as you read this, so is mine and every other living human person. Remember Satan in the desert with Christ? What did he do? He quoted scripture out of context. Not to mention what he (Satan) promised (but I will). Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. But we are not to approach scripture in this way. Looking to obtain stuff. we are to seek the truth and apply it accordingly. So again, I'm not asking you to take my word or Brad's word for anything. Do the research for yourself. You have the internet, start with the Christian Research Institute CRI website. Do a search on the word of faith movement and the individual teachers. Take your own books, if you have any and line up their teachings with scripture. You'll find that you can't. Not when there considered with scripture in it's appropriate context the way God gave them. Hey, If I am wrong, if thousands of years of doctrine is wrong, no worries. You will discover the truth and keep your 100 fold. But if you are wrong, be prepared. You may have to give up some of the things of this world. But what's more imortant? The truth is. In Christs' love, Jeff PS. Mitch, take this challenge seriously, to research this and seek the truth. I had the very same challenge made to me. I was a hardcore Kenneth Copeland fan. The money and all. He was on the board of a church I used to attend. I watched him on TV every chance I got (almost daily), read his books, etc. Then the challenge. Then the research and personal study of God's word. Then the repentance. Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; |
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2 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167430 | ||
Read it again please, I never said if it works for me it must be from God. I said, as the Word does, that every good and perfect gift is from God. And yes, I'll take whatever my father has decided to give me. He bought my healing, I'll accept it. And if you have read my other posts, as you say you have. Then you know I'll discuss scripture. I'm not going to stand up and defend Brother Copeland, he doesn't want me to, and he doesn't need me to, Christ will do that. I study the Word of God daily, no need to challenge me to do so. I Study the Word, and I spend time praying in other tongues and in my own understanding, and allowing the Spirit to reveal the word to me. So again, no need to 'challenge' me to do something I already do. And yes, Satan quoted Scripture, what does that prove? If you don't agre with Kenneth Copeland, show him where he is missing it. Use scripture, thast the only thing I'll feel like responding to. I don't base my belief on what some christian institute says, or what Kenneth Copeland says either, I base it on the Word. I don't need the internet to tell me what God said in his Word. So no thank you, but I'll not do any 'reserch' on the net to get a revelation fo the Word. I could care less what all those people have to say about my Brothers and Sistesr in Christ Jesus. I am a Christian man, I love my neighbor, I have no need to listen to hate filled writtings. Like I've said before, I'll talk about scripture, not opinion. If my body is under the curse, then do you think God is a liar when he said Jesus has redemmed me from the curse? And what does it matter how many people have died from sickness? I've had family members die lost and in all probability are in hell right now, does that mean I have to do the same thing? It makes no sense to say that so and so died of cancer, so it must be God's will for that to happen, but you won't say, so and so went to hell, it must be God's will for some people to go to hell. As a matter fo fact, if you believe sickness is sometimes the will of God for people, I hope you are convinced of your beliefs enough to try to clsoe down every hosptital you see, because they might be helping someone that God wants in pain. And I hope when you have children, you get on your knees before the Father, and beg him to give a fatal illness to your children, so that they will be living ina wonderfully perfected will of God. Thats abusrd, you won't do that, why? God Bless, Mitch |
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3 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mark d seyler | 167435 | ||
Hi Mitch, I appreciate that you only wish to discuss Scripture. I'd like to first clear away a few things, so that they do not cloud our judgment. If we believe that God sometimes brings suffering into our lives, we do not need to believe that it would not be God's will to later remove that suffering, so we do not need to close the hospitals. I don't think the doctors heal anyway. I think God does that. But my point is, we need not project extremist positions on those who disagree with us in order to discredit their views. Would you agree with this? I am convinced enough that God uses trials of all sorts, including physical infirmities and sickness, as part of the process of sanctifying us, that I do pray for whatever trials God has ordained to complete my maturity. I also pray for the strength to endure them, and that they accomplish their perfect work, making me complete. We need not fear trials, nor think of them as something bad. Suffering is suffering, no matter what the source, right? So we can speak of suffering that results from an accident, or crime, or bacteria, or virus, or any other source as the same. Would you agree with this? Ok. So I've told you pretty much where I stand. This is my question for you. When Paul wrote to the chuch in Rome, he said: Rom 8 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. We know that we have been spiritually redeemed. But does not this passage tell us that our bodies have not yet been redeemed, and, along with creation, still suffer the slavery of corruption? And that this will not change (and here we draw our understanding from other passages as well) until the end of the age, at the restoration of all things? What do you think? Love in Christ, Mark |
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4 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167439 | ||
Thank you for bringing scripture before me! Thats why I'm here, I'm eager to discuss the Word of God, so lets get started, and if I miss anything, please let me know. I want to answer all of it. Ok, my point about hospitals is this. If someone thinks that at times God decides someone should have a terrible ilness, and at times he decides that a person should die of a sickness. Then why would we want that person to go the hospital? I believe God does not want men to look at pornography. So I will do everything in my power to make sure its not even an option in my country. I don't even want it on pay per view, or in 'adults only' stores. I don't want it anywhere, because the will of God, is to not have that sin in my nation. So if it is God's will that some people are sick, then if a person believes that, they should never seek medical treatment, because as they think, God will either heal them, or he will not. Also, they should support things like abortion, because maybe God wanted that little child to be pulled limb from limb from their mothers womb. ( Thats absurd isn't it? ) But think about it, is it really God's will that 5000 children a day are killed in abortion, or is it his will for those who get all their skin burned off in a house fire? If a person thinks that sometimes God sends sickness to teach someone a lessson,then I'm simply saing they should praise God for those things, and be happy when their children have the same thing, as well as they should want to see all hospitals shut down, because those hositals might be treating someone, that God wants to die. As for trials, well I can say that in this life we are tried and tested. But I find no scripture that says we are tried by God. Can you? I've yet to find a scripture that says God sends the trial, you could think that at times he has to allow it, because he has made himself dependent on our faith at times, but I see no scripture which says he sends those trials. I believe that there may come a time where I could suffer for Christ, such as being persecuted for my beleive in Jesus, martyred ( spelling sorry ) or put in prison, I understand those things happen, and I would rejoice in those things. But nowhere do we see that sickness and disease are part of our suffering do we? Thats what I see in this passage of Scripture, yes it talks of suffering, but again I ask, where does scritpure say that suffering is sickness and disease. I don't care if they lock me up in prison, God will deliver me out of that wont he? I dont care if they stone me to death, I look up into heaven and see JEsus standing at the right hand of the Father. I'm simply saying, suffering is because of God, because of what I believe, and what people don't want me to belive, not from God. As Romans 8:23 points out, there is still a final redemption for our bodies, when Christ comes back, I will then take on complete imortatility. Luke 21:28 points out that our redemption will come. We then, will be totally redemmed from even persecutions at that point. So what I'm saying brother, is that nowhere in scripture does God send sickness on his children. It might happen in judgement, for those who are disobedient, but God had already made sure there was a way they never had to go through it. God Bless, Mitch |
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5 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mark d seyler | 167445 | ||
Hi Mitch, What does "slavery to corruption" as it relates to the creation, including what we might think of as the world of nature, and including our own bodies, mean to you? Is this not the continual deterioration of our bodies, and of the natural world? Love in Christ, Mark |
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6 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167453 | ||
I'm sorry brother, but I don't fully understand your question. Could you rephrase it? | ||||||