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1 | Matt 24 Is it all in the future? | Matt 24:1 | terryandangie | 78178 | ||
Chapter 24 of Matthew seems to be talking about an event in the future. (24:6,7 24:9 24:14 24:22 24:30) It seems that the sacrilegious object that causes desecration will be set up in Jeruselem in the future, then great calamity will come.(24:22 24:29) After the heavenly signs the lord will return. Does anyone have any ideas on this chapter? I've been taught that it covers two different time periods but I can't see it that way. Thanks for any comments. Terry | ||||||
2 | Matt 24 Is it all in the future? | Matt 24:1 | Taleb | 78185 | ||
Terry, contrary to what many of my study Bibles say, Matthew 24 HAS happened, exactly as Jesus said it would. If you have access to Josephus check out his “description” of the destruction of Jerusalem. It is as though he eavesdropped on Jesus’ prophesy. I have studied and restudied this portion for a few decades. It is exciting to say the least. One thing that is important to notice – Jesus instructed his disciples “Watch out less anyone deceive you.” Notice also Matt 24:14 – “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world, as a testimony to all nations, and the end will come” Compare that to Col. 1:23 – “…be not moved away from the gospel, which you have heard, and which WAS preached to every creature which is under heaven ….” There are SOOOOOOOOO many more verses that back up what many know as truth. Actually, one can take one verse at time and follow through from history's records. Many have done that to gain the same reasoning as I am presenting here. For this time, respectfully, Taleb |
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3 | Taleb, When did the Son of Man appear? | Matt 24:1 | Searcher56 | 78228 | ||
Scripture ... Matt 24:5-6 "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many. You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end." Taleb, when did this happen? 70 AD is not the answer ... there were not many false Christs ... nor were there wars ... the Romans ruled. How did the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION (vs 15) occur after He spoke? Also ... When did "THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky" (vs 29)? Are you saying that the Son of Man has appeared in the sky (vs 30)? Searcher |
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4 | Taleb, When did the Son of Man appear? | Matt 24:1 | Taleb | 78270 | ||
Searcher, first off, MANY historians have answered all of your questions. I don’t know how much history you know or have access to, but ... (actually, I like the way I once saw it spelled –HIS-story). Most of Scriptures was written prior to the events under discussion, so HIS-story is often used as another source. Although, let me be quick to add, Scripture DOES contain MANY “proofs”. What Scriptures “begin to say” HIS-story “fills in many blanks". Yes, Searcher, just as Jesus stated in Matt 24:5-6, there WERE false Christs. Listed in Acts 5:36 - Theudas, who mislead 400, another in Acts 21:38 who mislead about 30,000 – both “false Christs” of which Eusebius also made mention. Dositheus proclaimed himself to be the Messiah that Moses had prophesied. How many do you need? Let me know if you need more specifics, or examples. 1 John 2:18 talks about “the anti-christs” (plural), and don’t forget, John was amongst those whom Jesus warned against being deceived. “Little children, IT IS the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even NOW are there MANY antichrists; whereby WE KNOW IT IS THE LAST TIME.” Was John deceived, or did he KNOW the last days Jesus talked about WAS THEN, not 2,000 years later? You wrote, "No wars because the Romans ruled". Sorry, Searcher. But not only were their rumors of wars, there WERE NUMEROUS WARS, as HIS-story reveals. I love Josephus. While I don’t agree with much of his view, basically his facts are facts. Take the war in 40 A.D. 50,000 dead; nine years later, around the time of Passover, up to 20,000 dead. In Alexandria, 50,000 Jews killed. Scythopolis 13,000 plus killed. And these are not the only “wars” fought between the time Jesus said there would be wars, and when the “end” came. ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION in verse 15 is really self-explanatory. Scripture doesn’t say anything about ANY temple being rebuilt after its destruction. And, while Daniel’s talks about two separate abominations, the one Jesus speaks of happened exactly as He said. Every reference to any rebuilding of the temple was before it was fulfilled. There are NO MORE UNFULFILLED prophecies about any temple. PERIOD. According to Eusebius, Josephus and other historians, the abonination of desolation happened often prior to, and after, its final destruction. The Romans soldiers compassed the city, and took control, then they brought their ensigns (a staff with an eagle over the image of Caesar (who claimed to be God) into the temple and offer sacrifices and worship to the image. Verse 29. I just love Scripture, don’t you? When we take here a verse there a verse we either get a warped picture, or a complete picture. This verse gives a complete picture ONLY when taken in connecting with “what else Scripture has to say about the sun, moon and stars. Will you agree that Scripture is FULL OF SYMBOLIC terminology? Check out what Scripture says about the sun, moon, stars and you also will notice what so many others have discovered about this. Then verse 29 will also come alive to you too. Or, do you believe the moon turning to blood as stated in Joel and Acts 2? Verse 30 ties in with Matt 26:64 in which Jesus told Caiaphas, the High Priest, “I tell YOU that from THIS TIME onward, YOU will see the Son of Man SEATED on the right hand of power AND coming on the clouds of heaven.” That sounds like quite a feat, IF Jesus wasn't speaking figuratively. From now on meant it started right then, and Jesus hadn’t even gone to the cross yet. And for Jesus to both be seated and coming ….” Searcher, there is so much MEAT in what this verse states, but because “time” is my ever present enemy, I can’t detail it here and now. Great questions. I welcome more. :) Respectively, Taleb |
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5 | Taleb, When did the Son of Man appear? | Matt 24:1 | Searcher56 | 78275 | ||
There may be symbolism in Scripture ... however we will see sun and moon literally not give light and the stars fall from the sky. Rev 6:12, 8:12 may be part of this. "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken." The tribulation is literal and so is the sky activity. Since the Romans ruled over the Jews, they were not wars ... they were rebellions and the Romans sqaushing it. Verse 30 does not with Matt 26:64. He didn't return to earth. Acts 7:56 is one account that is tied with Matt 26:64. 30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. ... was there mourning when He was seen? No 31 And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. ... was there a trumpet? No Be ready for this to happen. |
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6 | Taleb, When did the Son of Man appear? | Matt 24:1 | Taleb | 78279 | ||
"But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken." The tribulation is literal and so is the sky activity. Searcher, are you "cancelling" the evidence of Psalms 148, amongst too many other Scriptures? :) I doubt if that's what you mean, right? More on your good comments later. Respectfully, Taleb |
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7 | Taleb, When did the Son of Man appear? | Matt 24:1 | Searcher56 | 78311 | ||
No I am not ... Answer this ... and tell me when this happened - exact dates and people - ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION Read Dan 11:2-12:13 ... stop at 11:31 and 12:11 "From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days." I see a smooth talker, two kings and 1,290 days. Who were these and when did it happen? |
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8 | Taleb, When did Matthew 24:25 occur? | Matt 24:1 | Searcher56 | 78464 | ||
Scripture ... Mat 24:15 ... Dan 11:2-12:13, 2Th 2:4, Rev 13:14-15 - ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION Read Dan 11:2-12:13 ... stop at 11:31 and 12:11 "From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days." I see a smooth talker, two kings and 1,290 days. Who were these and when did it happen? |
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9 | Taleb, When did Matthew 24:25 occur? | Matt 24:1 | Taleb | 78519 | ||
Searcher, thanks for making my day. Your legitimate questions WILL be answered. I look forward to review some of my “old” material gathered over the years. My personal library, its numerous book shelves crammed with overflowing (the excess are stacked by chairs, my desk, under the desk), will get a well deserved “going over”. Matthew 24:15 says a lot about our topic. Plus, the little phrase added by Matthew, “let the reader understand” needs to be heeded. The “reader” includes you and me, right? The one mentioned in Daniel 11:31 and 12:11, the disciples KNEW had been already fulfilled. And the reader needs to understand ALL that Jesus referred to concerning Daniel’s prophecies, if we are to understand WHICH one of the two separate abominations was referred to by Jesus. Daniel 9:26-27 explains. This speaks of the one AFTER Christ, seeing His followers understood the fulfillment of Dan 11-12 in which the first king from the south (Egypt) – according to history – Anticohus Epiphanes was the “second king” from the north (Syria). Just like Daniel said, the Northern king would “perform abominations”. He gave himself his surrname, and it means "the God made manafest". Did you notice the "anti" in his first name? When did did Daniel's happen? According to HIS-story it happened EXACTLY as Daniel predicted during the reign of Anticochus (174-168 B.C.). You can read all about it yourself in any one of many sources. 1st Maccabees for instance, is most likely the source the apostles had about that. Contrary to Scofield’s Bible (1917 edition) which only renders Dan 11:31 to Antiochus, Josephus indicates BOTH 11 and 12 to that wicked king. So WHEN was Jesus’ prophecies, about the abomination (Matt. Mark. Luke. Rev.), fulfilled? It WAS FULFILLED during the time the Roman army surrounded Jerusalem, took the city, entered the temple with THEIR objects of worship and offered THEIR sacrifices upon the altar. That is when. For the best details that Historians have provided, read the “WARS of the Jews, by Josephus. It’s pages follow the predictions to the letter. Famines, earthquakes, etc. Many Bible encyclopedias, Eusebius, Barnes Commentary (which tells us HOW the Roman army fulfills Luke 21:20), Jamison, Fausset and Brown Commentary gives the same data about Mark 13. And the lists go on and on. Respectfully yours, Taleb |
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10 | Taleb, When did Matthew 24:25 occur? | Matt 24:1 | Searcher56 | 78526 | ||
Scripture ... Matthew 24:15 "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" Taleb, "When you see" is in the future. This may have happened before their lifetime ... and will happen again. There is more than one prophecy that (will) occur tiece. Or in your case happen in the lifetime of the 12. So I ask when did it happen between 30 and 90 AD? Searcher |
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11 | Taleb, When did Matthew 24:25 occur? | Matt 24:1 | Taleb | 78642 | ||
Yes, Searcher, “Therefore when you see” WAS in the future of “those” to whom He spoke. Their “whole future” WAS in our past. The abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel occurred beginning when the Roman soldiers came against the city and continued through the burning of it, the destruction of the temple, with no stone upon another and the placing of their gods in the Holy Place and their offering sacrifices upon the altar – as recorded in numerous sources at your fingertips. Taking ALL Scripture into the picture reveals the “when you see”. Mark 13:14’s says “When you see the abomination standing WHERE IT OUGHT NOT. Luke 21:20 adds “clues to our mystery”. “When you see ‘Jerusalem surrounded by armies’, then you will understand that HER desolation is at hand.” “This” happened over the span of time it took for the Romans to conquer the city. Surely you don’t think “The Holy Land” recently picked up that name? Maccabees, written centuries before Jesus’ birth, refers to the city, to the land, to the temple as “Holy.” Allow me to paraphrase from Josephus (an eyewitness, but not a Christian). The city is surrounded by Cestius Gallus, a general. He fought against the city for five days. Then, for no good reason, the army retreated. The Jews chased after them and fought against the Romans. The Jews killed 5,300 footman, 380 horsemen. This was during the 12 year of Nero’s reign. Josephus adds a little tid-bit. “After this calamity had befallen Cestius, many of the eminent Jews swam away from the city, as from a ship when it is going to sink.” From many great Christian historians, we learn all the Christians fled to Pella. Just like His word promised, all of God’s “sealed” people (Jewish Christians) escaped the wrath that fell. HIS-story informs us ALL the Christians who heeded Christ’s warnings escaped alive. As explained in Rev. 12, after the sounding of the last trumpet, which 1 Cor 15:52 reveals. Interesting that Jesus’ warning (verses about not being pregnant, unclothed, or walking on the Sabbath, ONLY FIT THEIR situation. After that destruction 2,000 years ago – RULES changed. It is NOT unlawful to travel on the Sabbath anymore. Today, people wouldn’t be “stoned for streaking”. But in the “last days” in which Jesus referred to – some of those things were punishable offences. Nor would “travel in winter” be hazardous today. Respectfully, Taleb |
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12 | When did the 1280 days happen? | Matt 24:1 | Searcher56 | 78644 | ||
When did the 1280 / 1325 days happen? I need specific dates, since that was what Daniel said and Christ pointed to it. |
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13 | When did the 1280 days happen? | Matt 24:1 | CDBJ | 78657 | ||
Greetings Searcher56, There is a book out called the Sign, if you like to read, that goes into every detail on this subject. It is the most informative that I have ever read with over 600 pages on future events. ISBN # 0-89107-756-1 I have read through it 4 times and I am still learning new things. |
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14 | When did the 1280 days happen? | Matt 24:1 | Searcher56 | 78658 | ||
Does it say when the 1280 / 1325 days happen between 30 and 70? |
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15 | When did the 1280 days happen? | Matt 24:1 | Taleb | 78664 | ||
Searcher, great question. Like I mentioned before, ALL of the mentioning from the rest of Scripture needs to be considered. The fact is Jesus pointed to the “fact” of Daniel’s prophecy, which WAS fulfilled in during the 3 plus years of Anticohus’ rampage. Josephus wrote concerning The Babylonians destroying the holy place: “This desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before.” The details of the abominations cover pages. Concerning the destruction of the last temple, during the great tribulation, Vespasian declared war against the Jews in the spring of 67 A.D. During the three and half years, give or take, morning and evening sacrifices were offered daily until July 17th, 70 A.D. During that time, the abomination was being done just by the fact the Romans were “standing where they ought not” (Mark 13); the Romans “stand in the holy place” (Matt 24:15); “the disciples KNEW the desolation was nigh when they saw Jerusalem compressed with the Roman army”. (Luke 21:20). It's interesting, that until the 19th century, there wasn't any question about Daniel's prophecy, nor Matthew 24 etc. being in the future. Respectfully, Taleb |
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16 | When did the 1280 days happen? | Matt 24:1 | Searcher56 | 78699 | ||
Unless you can prove Daniel's prophecy took place between 30 and 70 ... specfically the 1280 / 1325 days ... I think you need to rethink your view. |
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