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1 | Please explain! | Matt 24:1 | Taleb | 78459 | ||
Searcher, thank you for your patience in regards to my slow reply. With my schedule, it is sometimes nigh unto impossible to do a worthwhile reply. I work at a huge, and I mean HUGE, church, so you can well imagine what my schedule is like. :) First off, the other post you wrote in response to what I said about wars and rumors of wars etc. Sorry, Searcher, but your history books are not accurate if they called those wars and rumors mere uprisings. If you need more "proof", let me know. Anyway, my point remains the same. I realize exactly where you are coming from, Searcher, because I have walked down your same path. Interesting that you picked the verses you did. When I was on the other side of this debate, years ago, I used those verses and many others. They ALL helped to explain to me what you have yet to see. Please forgive me for failing to preface this whole debate with some apparent necessary insight. Perhaps you, as so many others have (me included, at one time) wrongly concluded about WHAT Jesus was talking about in Matthew 24. Verse 3, in many Bibles reads something like this: They asked Jesus, “Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” Does yours read something like that? Check out what the “end of the world” means and it WILL change your conclusion to match mine. :) Allow me to spell it out for you. “End” is Strong’s 4130 - "entire completion, that is, consummation (of a dispensation)an age, era". “World’ is Strong’s 165 - "... specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future):—age ..." That said, can you now see where I am coming from? Just like those other verses you sent – it spells out the same truths about what TOOK place in THEIR lifetimes. You have to realize who Jesus was talking to AND HOW He directed His answers. Plainly, Jesus was talking to His disciples. Jesus said to them, (Verse 6) “And YOU ... (all of His disciples, NOT you and me)... shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.” THEY did hear of wars and rumors of wars. I appreciate your questions, Taleb |
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2 | Taleb, Is the harvest done (Mat 13:39ff) | Matt 24:1 | Searcher56 | 78468 | ||
Scripture ... Mat 13:39-40, 49, 24:3, 28:20 ... My answer to “end of the world” ... are the same word in 13:39-40, 49 and 28:20. It must mean the harvest is done? Sunteleia is Strong's 4930 (not 4910), the word used in all five places ... also Hebrews 9:16. |
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3 | Taleb, Is the harvest done (Mat 13:39ff) | Matt 24:1 | Taleb | 78521 | ||
Searcher, Matthew 13 is ONE of my favorite sections of the Gospels. To understand what you are asking you must understand the rest of the verses too. In each of the verses you provided, Matthew 13:39-40, 49; 28:20, plus numerous other verses that not mentioned, say the same thing. Searcher, ALL THE “WORLDS” LISTED IN YOUR VERSES ARE “AIONS” - Strong’s 165. Too often, in Scripture, what was translated “world” is actually Strong’s 165 “aion”. This word means “age as in era”. It is for an INDEFINATE period of time. It has nothing to do with dirt par se. Cosmos, the Greek word from which we get “world”, is listed under Strong’s 2889. It is (as far as I could tell) always translated “World”. In one place "world" is used from two different Greek ones. 1 Cor 3:18-19: “Let no man deceive you,” (Interesting, Jesus also used that same phrase in Matt 24) “if anyone among you seem to be wise in this world (#165), let him be a fool. … for the wisdom of this world (#2889) is foolishness with God.” Through what “ages” have we come? And by “we” I mean mankind. There was the stone age; the middle ages (I wish I was still there); the dark age; the industrial age; the space age; the information age; and in Matthew's day the "AGE" to which everyone KNEW referred to their "present age". Well the end of each of those ages gave birth to a new age. Most overlapped only until the new “age” got going, UNTIL the “old” age came to its end. Therefore, I stand my stand about the end of the age – the Jewish age, the age of the Law and Prophets, THAT “WORLD” CAME TO AN END exactly when, how and where Jesus said it would. The harvest referred to in Matthew 13, etc. was completed. HIS-story details how well. But, every “AGE” has had a time of harvests. We are still in ours! Sometime I’ll go over 2nd Peter 3:10. It’s RICH with truth. Respectfully, Taleb |
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4 | Taleb, Is the harvest done (Mat 13:39ff) | Matt 24:1 | Searcher56 | 78527 | ||
I think you better go check you sources. -Strong's 165 is aion (www.bibletexts.com/sh/hg/g0165.htm) It means for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity the worlds, universe period of time, age When it is in the plural, it is because it is supporting something plural ... basic Greek knowledege. I presume you fail to answer the other question is because you have no answer. Searcher |
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5 | Taleb, Is the harvest done (Mat 13:39ff) | Matt 24:1 | Taleb | 78534 | ||
Searcher, To save me time, I will only quote from a few of "my sources". I’m glad I don’t use the one you did. I’d be confused with what the Lord has so often shown me FROM His word. :) My New Englishman’s Greek Concordance and Lexicon defined Strong’s 165 as: “(a) an INDEFINATELY long period, eternity (past or future), (b) a certain segment of time, era, age (present or future), (c) material universe as the manifestations of the ages. My Vines Expository Dictionary defined Strong’s 165 (aion) definition as: “an age, era (to be connected with “aei”, ever, signifies a period of indefinite duration , or time viewed in relation to what takes place in the period. The force attaching to the word is not so much that of the actual length of a period, but that of a period marked by spiritual or moral characteristics …” My Strong’s Greek Dictionary list number 165 as: properly as an “age”; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication, the world; specially (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): Age, course, eternal, (for) ever, …” This brings us to wonderful place. Like how often, and under which differant circumstances, God’s word proclaims “In the day of the Lord”. There are so many “day (singular, yet many) of the Lord" as there have "ages" for us. Got to run. Have to get to Church. Respectfully, Taleb |
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6 | Taleb, Is the harvest done (Mat 13:39ff) | Matt 24:1 | Searcher56 | 78537 | ||
Study what it is singular or plural. Is it because the supporting text requires it? aion can have many meanings as you pointed out, so it need to be Messianic period (present). It cannot because of the last half of the chapter. I have cited soem of the future events. I think I am wasting my time on this matter. |
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