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1 | Once saved, aways saved doctrine refuted | Matt 10:1 | McGracer | 53924 | ||
Grace and Truth, I'm not even sure I want to get into this one but I'll share what I believe about these two subjects. 1. Yes, Jesus at one pointed breathed on the disciples and said "Receive the Holy Spirit." I have heard this interpreted two different ways: A. He was only sighing and then telling them to receive the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and B. They did receive the Holy Spirit at this time. If A. is true, then none of the disciples had the indwelling Holy Spirit until Pentecost. If B. is true, then still the Holy Spirit only came UPON them, not IN them. It is well known that under the Old Testament economy, the Holy Spirit came UPON people to enable them to minister or complete a God-given task. And He would often leave them if they sinned. Under the New Covenant, because ALL sins have been paid for on the cross, the Holy Spirit comes to indwell us FOREVER - 1 Cor 6:17; 2 John 1:2. He will never leave us or forsake us. 2. As for Ananias and Sapphira, the scripture does not tell us FOR SURE that they were believers. Acts 5:1 just calls him "a man." Acts 4:32 mentions a "congregation of those who believed" but I think that it is quite a stretch to presuppose that everyone in the early "local" church was a believer (any more than the average church-goer is nowadays). Not every wealth person who contributes to the church nowadays is saved either. Peter said that satan filled Ananias' heart. How could satan do this if Ananias was, as 1 Cor 6:17 says, joined in his heart to the Lord? Lastly (I'm gonna take heat for this also) where does scripture say that God killed them? It simply says that they breathed their last and fell dead. It is interesting that Christians who claim to believe that there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ - Romans 8:1,2 - are so quick to believe that God would physically kill someone who is indwelt by Him. We see the same mentality in our communion services. I have been participating in communion for over 30 years now and I have NEVER seen someone break out in leprosy, cancer, or fall over dead during the observation of the Lord's Supper because they forgot to confess a sin or two or because they weren't worthy. Worthy is the Lamb, not the sheep. While God alone sees the heart, I find it highly unlikely that every person drinking the cup and eating the cracker has confessed EVERY sin that have committed or omitted. Either Hebrews 10:17,18 is true or it is not. There is no middle ground. These are just my opinions. I cannot "prove" them but I think they are worthy of consideration. Baaaaaa, just a sheep, McGracer |
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2 | Once saved, aways saved doctrine refuted | Matt 10:1 | Grace and Truth | 53928 | ||
Your points are well taken, but you must observe what the text says, Acts 4:32 lets us know that the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: vs 33 and great grace was upon them all. Vs.34-5:1-11 there is not break in the story when you enter chapter 5, the Holy Spirit allowed Peter to know the heart of Ananias and his wife, they were made an example to others so that others would not tempt the Holy Spirit. Your first point is also well taken, but Judas was choosen to be an apostle, John 15:16, Matt 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh (in you). The Spirit was working in them at this time, although it was temptary. |
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3 | Once saved, aways saved doctrine refuted | Matt 10:1 | BradK | 53932 | ||
Dear Grace and Truth, I appreciate your response. Again, maybe some clarification is needed. I concur that Acts 4:32 details the sharing among the believers, leading into Chap. 5 which brings forth the fate of Ananias and Sapphira. However, to directly infer they were "believers" is left unknown. Scripture does not give us a definitive answer. We could assume, but... As far as your references of John 15:16 and Matt. 10:20, I don't believe they are ample to support Judas' being a believer. The chosen apostles are listed in Matt. 10:2,3- with a qualifying note regarding Judas, "the one who betrayed Him". In Matt.10:20 it says,"the Spirit OF your Father SPEAKS in you". I does not say THEY were filled with the Spirit! The Spirit had not yet come, and they were not filled with it. See John 14:16-26! Respectfully Yours, BradK |
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4 | Once saved, aways saved doctrine refuted | Matt 10:1 | Grace and Truth | 53935 | ||
Let's bring this closer to home! You and I believe that we are saved, right? If I turn from following the Lord and die in sin will I go to heaven? | ||||||
5 | Once saved, aways saved doctrine refuted | Matt 10:1 | Hank | 53941 | ||
A regenerate believer is saved and goes to be with the Lord. An unregenerate sinner is not saved and does not go to be with the Lord. Neither the quality nor the quantity of the good works of either has the slightest effect upon his salvation. How many times have I said it before? It is impossible to earn one's way to heaven. By grace are you saved through faith....by grace are you saved through faith....(one more time for the west coast).... by grace are you saved through faith. --Hank | ||||||