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1 | Is the Christian under Law? | Ex 1:1 | Bill Mc | 12807 | ||
Is the Christian under Law? Dear Joe and Christiankl, God's design for our lives as Christians is to let Christ live His life thorugh us, not to keep the law. Please look at the Scriptures, brothers: Consider the church in Galatia. Paul had preached Christ crucified and risen again in their midst. This was a church of, as far as we can tell, believers in Christ who the Judaizers were trying to put back under the law and all it's requirements. Notice Paul's admonitions: Galatians 2:19 - Paul died to the Law so that he could live to God 3:10 - If you're under law, you're under it's curse - if you sin, you die 3:13 - Christ redeemed us from this curse 3:19 - The Law was added UNTIL the seed (Christ) would come 3:23 - Before faith in Christ came, we were under law's custody 3:24 - Law leads us to Christ so we can be justified by faith 3:25 - Now that faith in Christ is reality, we are no longer under the tutor (the Law) Romans 6:14 - we are not under the law but under grace 6:15 - again, we are under grace 7:4 - we were made to die to the Law so that we can be joined to Christ 7:6 - We have been released from the Law so that we can serve in the newness of the Spirit NOT according to the letter (law) Brothers, are these Scriptures not clear? If you were married to a woman you loved (see Paul's analogy in Roman's 7) and she died, as horrible as that would be, what relationship would you have with her? She would be dead and all the duties you had to her would be null and void. Would that mean you were against her or hated her? No. You would still, in fact, love her. But, you would no longer be in a relationship with her. The relationship is over. She would be dead. Now, Paul says that we were made to die to the Law through Christ's death (Rom 7:4) so that we could be joined to Christ. The first relationship has to end before the next can be binding. But the Law didn't die. We did. We are free of ANY relationship to it, not because there is something wrong with it, but because it has fulfilled it's purpose. It showed us exceedingly sinful so that we could come to Christ. And our relationship with Him will lead us to go places that the Law could never touch. The Law buried us under sin, as Christ did in the gospels (...the Law says...but I tell you...) so we would see our need to be justified by His death and saved by His life. So, obviously, I have a contention with your 3 conclusions: 1. The Holy Spirit now convicts the believer of sin and points us to Christ as sufficient - not the Law. 2. God doesn't want a moral people. The Pharisees were very moral. God wants a people who have Christ living through them. This goes beyond morality to miraculous. We don't need to eat from the morality Tree (of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, right and wrong), we need to eat from the Tree of Life, Jesus Christ. 3. We live out our sanctification. We do nothing to obtain it. Our spirits are 100 percent sanctified at conversion and we have the privelege of seeing that 'worked out' through our souls and bodies as we trust in Christ as our sufficiency and grow in His love. See Titus 2:11 - God's GRACE, not the Law, teaches us to live righteously and godly lives. As you said, God, through Christ, has met all His own moral demands. We, on our own, never could. We have been made holy not by our actions, but by His. We have HIS righteousness, not our own. And we have the joyful experience of living it out. We don't live holy, godly lives to gain sanctification. We live holy, godly lives because 'by this will (New Covenant) we have been sanctified through the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL. For by one offering He has perfected for ALL TIME those who are sanctified.' - Hebrews 10:10,14 What do you think? In Christ, Bill Mc In Christ |
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2 | Is the Christian under Law? | Ex 1:1 | CoolRob | 12901 | ||
I have a question as I am reading all of the posts. (if I may) When we are talking about Law and Grace, are people referring to the Ten Commandments, or all of the 613 OT laws. Thanks! Rob |
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3 | Is the Christian under Law? | Ex 1:1 | Bill Mc | 12902 | ||
Hi Rob! Welcome to the forum. Seeing as you've probably been reading many of my posts in this topic (I'm rather long-winded), I'll offer my answer and you can repost the question if you would like other's input. From this topic, I've been referring primarily to the 10 commandments. Galatians, the book most cited to show that Christians are not under law, defines it in chapter 4:24 as '...the covenant proceeding from Mount Sinai...' These are the 'Words' of God given to Israel through Moses. The Jews invented the other 613 OT laws to give practical application as to how to keep the primary ten. So obviously, if the Law (10 commandments does not apply to the Christian, then the other 613, by default, are no longer applicable also. So, from Galatians and Hebrews, I've been trying to substantiate the passing of the Law as the primary 10 commandments given to the Jews. Hope this helps. In Christ, Bill MC |
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4 | Is the Christian under Law? | Ex 1:1 | kalos | 12925 | ||
WHOA! STOP! HALT! GET BACK! Bill MC: Did I hear you right? "The Jews INVENTED the other 613 OT laws to give practical application as to how to keep the primary ten"? No way, Jose. Nothing against you personally, sir. Not trying to bite your head off here. :-) But the Jews did not "invent" any part of the inspired Word of God. "All scripture is inspired (God-breathed)." It is a grave error to assert that the Jews invented the other 613 laws. The other 613 were given to Israel by Jehovah through Moses, just as surely as the 10 Commandments were. To say that the Jews invented them for reasons of their own and added them sounds like higher criticism, i.e. liberals tearing apart the Bible to discredit it. Again, nothing personal against you. I merely question your assertion. Thank you for all your good participation in the forum. --JVH0212 "In essentials unity, in nonessentials liberty, and in all things charity." |
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5 | Is the Christian under Law? | Ex 1:1 | Bill Mc | 12942 | ||
Dear JVH0212, I, for the time being, stand corrected. I will look into the other 613. Please accept my apologies until I do further research. I though the reference was to not picking grains of wheat on the sabbath, etc. But, my initial assertion still stands. We, as Christians, are not under the 10 or the 613. Thanks for the 'gentle' correction. In Christ, Bill MC |
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6 | Is the Christian under Law? | Ex 1:1 | kalos | 12952 | ||
Bill MC: You are very welcome, sir. Now it is true that by the time of the incarnation and earthly ministry of Christ, the Law had been diluted and altered by the tradition of the rabbis. For example, "Our Lord found the observance of the [Sabbath] encrusted with rabbinical evasions and restrictions (Mt 12:2), wholly unknown to the law, so that [Christ] was Himself held to be a Sabbath-breaker by the religious authorities of the time" (note at Matthew 12:1, New Scofield Reference Bible, 1967, Oxford). I am glad I came across as being gentle. :-) Grace to you, --JVH0212 |
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