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1 | First Question | Is 57:1 | John Reformed | 46487 | ||
Hello Sister M, You asked "if you had seen it fulfilled in the lives of saints today, do you think your views would be different?" Absolutely yes! 1Th 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." 2 Cor 7:14 "For if in anything I have boasted to him about you, I was not put to shame; but as we spoke all things to you in truth, so also our boasting before Titus proved to be the truth." I would be worse than a fool if I saw christians healing the sick, raising the dead, and doing signs and wonders even greater than those Jesus performed. In John 14:12, the Lord made a fascinating promise: "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do". Does this mean (as some teach) that believers today can expect to perform greater miracles than He performed? If so, the promise has fallen to the ground unfulfilled, for no one today can do what He did. His miracles are in a category all to themselves. No one today can feed thousands of people with a small lunch. No one today can bring a man to life who had been dead four days. Nor can anyone still a storm or walk on water. His miracles simply can not be surpassed. What did he mean, then? He was referring to the church's ministry of meeting men's basic needs, completely and permanently. His miracles, while they were great, only met men's superficial needs -- physical healing, food, etc.-- and that only temporarily, for men healed again became sick, and men fed again became hungry. But in ministering the gospel of Jesus Christ, believers today can meet the basic and essential need of men and meet it permanently. Charles Haddon Spurgeon addressed this subject with characteristic eloquence: "He sent them forth to work miracles as well as to preach. Now, he hath not given us this power, neither do we desire it; it is more to God's glory that the world should be conquered by the force of truth than by the blaze of miracles. The miracles were the great bell of the universe which was rung in order to call the attention of all men all over the world to the fact that the gospel feast was spread; we do not need the bell now . . ., for the moral and spiritual forces of truth to work by themselves, apart from any physical manifestation, is more to the glory of the truth, and the Christ of the truth, than if we were all miracle workers, and could destroy gainsayers. Yet still, though we work no miracles in the physical world, we work them in the moral and spiritual world." The point here is this: this promise clearly prophesies that His ministry of miracles would be supplanted by something else, a ministry of spiritual healing. This greater ministry has replaced the other.(Fred Zaspel) Grace and Peace, Brother John |
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2 | Good morning Bro. John! | Is 57:1 | mbooker | 46544 | ||
Good Morning Brother John I have a friend, a sister in Christ. I spoke with her this morning and she has seen a man's leg healed. It was shorter than the other and she said he was prayed for and she saw his leg grow. She has also seen demons being casted out. I also heard John Hagee's testmony about a time when he casted out a demon. With that said, Veronica (my friend) believes that Mark 16:17 is for today. So if she has seen Mark 16:17 and you and I haven't, what is the conclusion? If you believe it is not for today because you have not seen it and she believes it is for today because she has seen it, how do we reconcile that? I am so glad you mention john 14:12. I was thinking of that this morning. Jesus said 'He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also'. And I'm not even going to get into the greater works. Let's just deal with the works he did. When I read this scripture, I consider the works Jesus did. Heal, feed the hungry, teach, preach (those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head). Now Jesus said 'He that believeth on me, the works that I do SHALL he do also'. He did not say they might do the works, he said they SHALL do the works. Now, IF I believe on him and I don't do the works, then as you said 'the promise has fallen to the ground unfulfilled'. So did Jesus make a promise and not fulfill it? And again, if he said the works that he did, those that believed on him would do, then to me that means if he healed, then we heal, if he preached, then we preach, if he taught, then we teach. And again, if these things are not manifested, can it be possible that the problem lies with us? because I am not convinced that these things past away with the early church. If we can find in scripture when it was stated that these things would pass with the early church, then I would have scripture to renew my mind. I really feel uncomfortable basing my faith on what I see or don't see. I need to base it on what the word of GOD teaches. Maybe we can discuss the greater works later. Abba Father bless you! |
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3 | Good morning Bro. John! | Is 57:1 | John Reformed | 46556 | ||
Hello Sister M, I sent you a post on Apostleship just before I got this post from you. In it I spoke of paying attention to context. With context in mind, I ask you: Who was Jesus speaking to in John 14:12? Brother John |
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4 | Phillip | Is 57:1 | mbooker | 46565 | ||
He was talking to Phillip. And if in context, I am to conclude he was talking to the apostles, and thus only the apostles would do the works Jesus did, does that mean that verses 1-27 only apply to the apostles? | ||||||
5 | Phillip | Is 57:1 | John Reformed | 46579 | ||
Dear Sister M, If you want me to prove beyond a doubt that we are not promosed to have the same (and even greater) power that Jesus possesed (pertaining to signs and wonders), I will then ask: Where is it evidenced in the life of any saint since the New Testament times. The burden of proof is upon those who preach "signs and wonders" are for today. I have given you what I believe to be some biblicaly based reasons for why I believe John 14:12 does not apply to saints in general but to the apostles only. If every single believer in the new testament was able to ask in faith, believing that God would give them whatever they had the faith to believe for: 1) why were so many persecuted and killed? 2) Why did Paul have to suffer the "thorn in is flesh? 3) Why did Paul tell Timothy to take a little wine for his sick stomach? Why, why, why. I could spend days asking why. In fact I spent years in under pentacostal teaching asking these questions of why this or why that, without any explanation except that I did'nt have enough faith. Talk about a guilt trip! I must go to work now, but would like to continue our exploration of God's truth with you. God Bless Sister M., John |
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