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NASB | Isaiah 57:1 The righteous man perishes, and no man takes it to heart; And devout men are taken away, while no one understands. For the righteous man is taken away from evil, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Isaiah 57:1 The righteous man perishes [at the hand of evil], and no one takes it to heart; Faithful and devout men are taken away, while no one understands That the righteous person is taken away [to be spared] from disaster and evil. |
Subject: Thorn in the flesh |
Bible Note: Wow...you can add ANYTHING to the Bible and make it say what you want it to! Yoy still didn't address in your cut-and-paste job, why Timothy would be getting sick so often. But let's look at that argument, anyway: "a. Water in the ancient world was often unreliable in regard to purity, Paul's advice is reliable to Timothy as it is to any traveling person." If every believer could "drink poison" and not be harmed (Mark 16), what would be the problem with a little bad water? In any case, this doesn't address the point of my question. "b. Timothy was the victim of 'frequent infirmities'; yet Paul did not simply command a healing on apostolic authority, or even send him a handkerchief with healing power (Acts 19:11-12)." I have no idea what the point is here. "c. Paul did not have miraculous powers at his beck and call, but only at the prompting of the Holy Spirit - and apparently, there was no such prompting in Timothy's case" Oh, so in other words, in that case, in that time, and in those circumstances, it wasn't God's will for Timothy to be instantly healed? That is very convincing; problem is, you are convincing me of the point that I was already making. "d. If it is God's will for all to be healed 'right now', then Paul (and the Holy Spirit who inspired him) lead Timothy into sin - calling him to look to a natural remedy instead of a divine healing." What is being said here? That Paul was sinning in his divinely-inspired instructions to Timothy? There is nothing in this segment of your post that supports your point-of-view. If anything, it is an adequate defense of mine. Thanks! As far as Epaphroditus, you quoted: "Epaphroditus made a choice to continue to work when he should have stopped." Please show me ANYWHERE in Philippians 2 where Paul criticizes the actions of Epaphroditus. We see nothing but approval of Epaphroditus fulfilling Philippians 1:29. Epaphroditus was not sick because he overworked, but because, despite the fact he was sick, he continued to work for Paul's behalf (and the Lord's, of course) to the point of death. And that is not what Paul considers "overwork" (please show me any Scriptural support for "overwork" as a sin, except in the case of Sabbath-breaking); but rather he is using Epaphroditus and Timothy in chaper 2 as an example of this principle: "Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves; do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others." --Philippians 2:3-4 Yeah, Epaphroditus putting Paul ahead of his own health was SUCH a sin! Your prosperity doctrine is not only unbiblical; it is purely evil in its implications. --Joe! |