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1 | Thorn in the flesh | Is 57:1 | mbooker | 45317 | ||
Just one point I'd like to address. The thorn in the flesh that Paul had to deal with. Are you saying it was some type of sickness? He said it was a messenger of Satan. I read a book dealing with 'the thorn in the flesh' issue. In the book, the author went thru scripture and found instances where the term 'thorn in the flesh' was used and if I'm not mistaken, they referred to a person or a people. I will try and get the book and pull out those scriptures. Well maybe two points I'd like to address. If we always pray 'if the LORD wills', can we ever pray according to I John 5:14-15. Thanks again. Yours in Christ |
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2 | Thorn in the flesh | Is 57:1 | Scribe | 45348 | ||
I agree. The messenger of satan was probably a person. And if it was something else it seems to be a spiritual warfare not a physical sickness. If it was an illness it never made Paul pray differently. I mean he did not say "we do not know whether God wants to heal you" instead we see Paul always full of faith and laying hands on the sick and speaking words of Faith. It says he left a brother sick but it does not say if maybe he was healed later. And maybe he was talking about common colds which we all get and get over. The kind of Healing we see Paul and all believers full of faith and the Holy Spirit doing in the Bible is that of opening blind eyes and the lame man walking. I don't thing they were coming with common colds. I think they came with the impossible cases. So we should follow the example of Paul. Whether he had an illness or whether he leaves a brother in a town sick Paul just kept preaching faith in God and laying hands on the sick and sending our handkerchiefs from the sweat of his brow and many were healed of the impossible cases by faith in the Name of Jesus. Next time someone tries to tell you about sister or brother "so and so" that prayed for healing but they died, just tell them "Please don't give me your sad storys" Does your "sad story" make null the word of God? I think not. Here is what the Word says. Matthew 4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them. Matthew 8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: Matthew 12:15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all; And next time someone who is full of doubt and unbelief trys to tell you that you should not tell people they do not have faith, give them this verse. Mark 6:5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. 1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. Mark 16:17-18 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. You know all these verses, but what we must do is speak only the Word. When Sad storys start to be presented, Just tell the "well-intended" brother the Word. When he speaks another sad story then speak the Word soon the doubtful brother will begin to be revived and faith will arise in his heart. And he will say. Praise God I see that I indeed am falling into unbelief, I will only speak God's Word on the subject. Then he may actually see a healing take place and be able to comprehend the ihheritance that is in every believer throught faith in that Person Jesus Christ and His Power that is in Us. I have been in a room full of unbelievers that were praying sad prayers about "if it be thy will to heal our sister we ask for it .. but if not give her peace." The sister had breast cancer. I had to "put out" the doubters by telling them to only pray the scriptures. Well no one could pray any healing scriptures that were not positive verses of faith for healing in the right now. So afte we Claimed healing in the name of Jesus for the right now. and agreed as touching it and Thanked the Lord as though the Dr had just given the report that she was cancer free. Then and only then did the sister get healed. Was it becuase we had no faith that she was not healed before that hour or was it just God's Timing? It was obvious to all that were there including the catholics that were there that faith in the Word instead of human philosophy of trying to reason out why so and so did not get healed was the problem. As soon as the saints decided to believe for healing right now, regardless of sad storys they had heard then the sister was healed. |
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3 | Thorn in the flesh | Is 57:1 | heisthe1 | 45428 | ||
Hello Scribe, The Scriptures reveal to us that physical healing has been provided for the believer through the atoning work of Christ; however, there are those who reject this view and contend that is is not God's will to heal everyone, even those who come to Him in faith. One argument these people use is that the apostle Paul himself had suffered numerous illnesses, implying that if such a one as the apostle Paul failed to receive healing, then it is only normal for many ordinary believers to remain ill. If it was not God's will to heal the apostle Paul, then it may not be God's will to heal us. I will present some of the biblical passages often used to "prove" that Paul was a sick man. I will argue that these passages in fact demonstrate the tremendous healing power of God at work in Paul's life. His life and experiences provide us with reasons to believe God for healing, not the other way around. PAUL'S INFIRMITIES. "Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first. And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? or I bear you record, that, if it has been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me" (Galatians 4:13-15). This biblical passage is often quoted as proof that Paul was sick and that healing is not for everyone (or for nobody at all). Even if Paul was sick (which he was not, as we shall see), that does not prove anything about God's will in the area of healing until we also take into the account the direct statements in the Bible concerning healing. Abraham, David, Solomon, and other righteous characters in the Bible had more than one wife, and from these examples, some have concluded that God allows a man to have more than one wife at the same time. However, when we take into account the direct statements from the Bible (as oppose to the implications derived from people's actions and experices), we understand that God's will is for a man to have only one wife. In the same way, Paul's experiences prove nothing unless it is consistent with the direct statements of the Bible. Verse 13 says "ye know how through the infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first." Paul visited Galatia "at the first" in Acts 14. The Bible says Paul went into Antioch, Iconium, Lystra, and Derbe. The province of Galatia contained Pisidia and Lycaonia, and therefore the towns of Antioch, Iconium, Lystra, and Derbe. So Paul first visited Galatia in Acts 14. What happened to Paul in Acts 14? He was stoned: "And there came thither, certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he has been dead." In those days, they dug holes in the ground outside of the city. Whenever they were to stone someone, they would push the victim into the hole. Then, a crowd would gather around the hole and throw big rocks at the person's head, until they were certain that it was completely crushed. From biblical evidence, it seems that Paul was actually dead. The timing would be about 14 years before he was to write 2Corinthians, which would make Acts 14 the time when he died and temporarily went to heaven to see the visions mentioned in 2Corinthians 12:2-4. Then what happened? God raised Paul from the dead right on the spot and Paul marched right back into the same city! This is why Paul had an "infirmity of the flesh"-His skull had been crushed and he was walking around looking like that. So, instead of disproving the biblical teaching on healing, this passage in Galatians demonstrates God's supernatural healing and resurrection power. Paul was walking around supernaturally with this and many other injuries. I still have to explain the phrase "you would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me" (v.15). From these words, people have concluded that Paul had an eye disease. This interpretation is both irresponsible and dishonest-it had extinguished many people's hope for receiving healing from God. "Would have plucked out your own eyes" is simply an expression! Just like a "thorn in the flesh" is an expression equivalent to a "pain in the neck." You want to know what Paul believed? He believed this: "But if the Spirit of him that raised Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you" (Romans 8:11). It happened to him time and time again. It can happen to you, if you believe. I write this to you Scribe, because you do believe and if you wish I will post much more concerning Paul's injuries and the "thorn in the flesh" God blessings |
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4 | Thorn in the flesh | Is 57:1 | mbooker | 45827 | ||
Hi heisthe1. Please post more on Paul's thorn in the flesh. Peace and grace to you... |
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5 | Thorn in the flesh | Is 57:1 | Makarios | 45843 | ||
Greetings mbooker! Here is a little commentary.. "THORN IN THE FLESH (2 Cor. 12:7-10). Many interpretations have been given of this passage. (1.) Roman Catholic writers think that it denotes suggestions to impiety. (2.) Luther, Calvin, and other Reformers interpret the expression as denoting temptation to unbelief. (3.) Others suppose the expression refers to "a pain in the ear or head," epileptic fits, or, in general, to some severe physical infirmity, which was a hindrance to the apostle in his work (comp. 1 Cor. 2:3; 2 Cor. 10:10; 11:30; Gal. 4:13, 14; 6:17). With a great amount of probability, it has been alleged that his malady was defect of sight, consequent on the dazzling light which shone around him at his conversion, acute opthalmia. This would account for the statements in Gal. 4:14; 2 Cor. 10:10; also Acts 23:5, and for his generally making use of the help of an amanuensis (comp. Rom. 16:22, etc.). (4.) Another view which has been maintained is that this "thorn" consisted in an infirmity of temper, to which he occasionally gave way, and which interfered with his success (comp. Acts 15:39; 23:2-5). If we consider the fact, "which the experience of God's saints in all ages has conclusively established, of the difficulty of subduing an infirmity of temper, as well as the pain, remorse, and humiliation such an infirmity is wont to cause to those who groan under it, we may be inclined to believe that not the least probable hypothesis concerning the 'thorn' or 'stake' in the flesh is that the loving heart of the apostle bewailed as his sorest trial the misfortune that, by impatience in word, he had often wounded those for whom he would willingly have given his life" (Lias's Second Cor., Introd.)." (1) Blessings to you, Makarios (1) Easton's Bible Dictionary |
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