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1 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 65544 | ||
There is a "ZERO" theory but it is not of theological context. Not trying to be mystical, it's just very hard for me because I work from facts and truths, hence all my crazy questions and challenges. Misconceptions or misunderstandings of definitions bother me tremendously. Basically what the "zero" theory is that "0" exists yet it is associated with "nothingness" yet "nothingness" is not capable of existence. If "nothing" existed then it would be something therefore it is not "nothing". "0" is mathematical proof to an entity which is the essence of existence, it is what a philospher Anaximander called the "boundless". Call it God if you wish, "0" is its mathematical proof. Anaximander (532 B.C.) - the beginning and the fundamental substance (stoicheion) of things is an infinite something - "The Boundless" as he designates it. He also says the "apeiron", the absolute is the source of all things. Other elements are constantly being exchanged, but the Boundless cannot partake of this changeableness, or else it would pass away. The Boundless is not like the other elements. This Boundless is uncreated and indestructible, being itself primary. It has no cause, but causes all other things. |
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2 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | EdB | 65583 | ||
zerotheory The problem with the zero theory is not one of fact but rather of statement. The theory says zero exists but is nothing therefore for it to exist it has to be something. However stated thus we can see zero can and does indeed exist. Zero is the absence of anything, that condition can be mathematically proved, therefore the absence of anything or zero can be proven to exist. This is the same problem many people have with a belief in God, The problem is not that God does not exist or that his attributes can’t be seen, the problem comes from the non believing person stating conditions of belief that can not be met. Whenever mortal man tries to construct a box around God by the very definition of God we are destined to failure. EdB |
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3 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 65730 | ||
[From EdB][The problem with the zero theory is not one of fact but rather of statement. The theory says zero exists but is nothing therefore for it to exist it has to be something. However stated thus we can see zero can and does indeed exist. Zero is the absence of anything, that condition can be mathematically proved, therefore the absence of anything or zero can be proven to exist. This is the same problem many people have with a belief in God, The problem is not that God does not exist or that his attributes can’t be seen, the problem comes from the non believing person stating conditions of belief that can not be met. Whenever mortal man tries to construct a box around God by the very definition of God we are destined to failure. EdB] Ed, You are correct! Let me restate a few things. Most people associate "0" with "nothing" and most people use the word "nothing" as if it were actually something. People do this because logically they know that absolute nothingness does not exist, therefore it is something. "NOTHING" cannot, will not, and can never exist. As you said, you can't have "nothing" if you have something. In mathematics, everything begins and ends with "0", everything that exists; exists because "0" exists, "0" is sovereign while all the other numbers depend or rely on another number, "0" is responsible for the creation of all the other numbers(they were created from "0"), "0" always exists(it never goes away and eventually it always shows back up), you can always find or turn everything over to "0" simply by multiplying by "0" and everything becomes "0". The point of the theory is: Even if you think, or it appears, you have "nothing" it is not true because there is no such thing as "NOTHING", you always have "something". Case and point, (which comes form the "ZERO" theory) absent everything else that exists, no matter what, whether it appears so or not, God exists and will always exist, you always have God, God is always with you, you can always reach God, and you can always bring God into your life. Some people have responded to my post of the "ZERO" theory, such as you did: "the problem comes from the non believing person stating conditions of belief that can not be met. Whenever mortal man tries to construct a box around God by the very definition of God we are destined to failure." It's not about trying to put a box around God. It's trying to show the NON-believing person, with mathematical proof and logical understanding, that he does indeed exists. "Use your mind to find all of Gods glory and use your heart to love him with all of your glory". |
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4 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | John Reformed | 65736 | ||
Dear Zerotheory, The problem is not that people do not believe in God. The problem is that they will not worship Him as He is. Rom 1:20-22 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, It is my experience that you can waste a lot of precious time dicussing philosophical theories with unbelievers. Even if you do force an atheist to begrudgingly agree to the existence of God, it is still a long way to persuade him in a belief in the God of the Bible. Salvation or faith in Christ are not achieved through intellectual debate. They occur as a direct result of God's grace toward an individual. Faith is given as a gift. Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God Just present the gospel and trust the Holy Spirit to bring them to spiritual life. Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek John |
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5 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 65741 | ||
[quote from John Reformed] "The problem is not that people do not believe in God. The problem is that they will not worship Him as He is. Rom 1:20-22 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, It is my experience that you can waste a lot of precious time dicussing philosophical theories with unbelievers. Even if you do force an atheist to begrudgingly agree to the existence of God, it is still a long way to persuade him in a belief in the God of the Bible. Salvation or faith in Christ are not achieved through intellectual debate. They occur as a direct result of God's grace toward an individual. Faith is given as a gift. Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God Just present the gospel and trust the Holy Spirit to bring them to spiritual life. Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. John" John, look at what you are saying: "The problem is that they will not worship Him as He is." "Even if you do force an atheist to begrudgingly agree to the existence of God, it is still a long way to persuade him in a belief in the God of the Bible." "Just present the gospel and trust the Holy Spirit to bring them to spiritual life." "Salvation or faith in Christ are not achieved through intellectual debate." Don't you think the ones who don't "worship Him as He is" is because they don't truely believe? "FORCED" can never replace love. To truely accept God it must come through the heart and mind from love and understanding, NOT FORCE. Isn't intellectual debate or "internal" debate the way we all learn to love? Why did God give you a mind if he didn't want you to use it? "It is my experience that you can waste a lot of precious time dicussing philosophical theories with unbelievers". How is it a waste of time to help someone discover the will of God. If they are a non-believer then they are searching for true, proof, understanding. It is actually these people who need the most help and are the most willing to accept help if it can be done at their level. As I have said John, "Use your mind to find all of Gods glory and use your heart to love him with all of your glory". There are no problems with the "ZERO" theory, it is divine. You should try to open up your mind and understand it, it will help you to serve God better by helping others find his glory. |
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6 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | John Reformed | 65748 | ||
I do believe that philosophy, logic and human reason can and should be used in the area of apologetics. But they are not the basis on which men will be saved. It is the Gospel that brings change in the heart of man. Did you read the scriptures I sent you? What do you take them to mean? John |
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7 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 65757 | ||
John, [Quote from John] "I do believe that philosophy, logic and human reason can and should be used in the area of apologetics. But they are not the basis on which men will be saved. It is the Gospel that brings change in the heart of man. *****END QUOTE***** Correct! Man will be saved by bringing God into his heart. However, from your previous post, I think what [Eph.2:8-9] is saying is that it is by Gods grace that you automatically have faith. Meaning, I don't think you have to do anything and God will still accept you. However, when you take God into your heart is when you will see all of His Glory. I think what Rom 1:20-22 is focused on is the "being understood through what has been made". I think what it is saying is that God isn’t just all that *IS*, and don’t think yourself wise if that is what you believe, but that God is everything that *IS* *WAS* *OR COULD EVER BE*, whether it is seen or unseen, known or unknown, if it can be it is because of him. "0" is the exact same way. Perhaps you are number 541 and that is because your father was number 300 and your mother was 241 and together they made you, 541. But where did your mother and father come from? And where did they come from? It all trickles back to "0". The only reason you became 541 is because "0" exists. You can’t see "0" in 541 but it is there, always has been, always will be. What happens when (5-4)-1? Right, "0". Everything works this way. |
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