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1 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | Pastor Glenn | 140864 | ||
I understand your concern EdB. I just see a much more difficult problem in loosing the name Cainan from Gen 11. The way this is written, I think it is called a "double linked list" of names between verses. It would have to have been dropped from at least 2 verses (12 and 13) and the wording would need to change in those verses. Also, 2 other complete verses (13.1 and 13.2) would have been dropped. Gen 11 12And Arphaxad hath lived five and thirty years, and begetteth Salah. 13And Arphaxad liveth after his begetting Salah four hundred and three years, and begetteth sons and daughters. This is how it would have looked with Cainan inserted: 12And Arphaxad hath lived five and thirty years, and begetteth Cainan. (changed) 13And Arphaxad liveth after his begetting Cainan four hundred and three years, and begetteth sons and daughters. (changed) 13.1 And Cainan hath lived five and thirty years, and begetteth Salah. (dropped) 13.2 And Cainan liveth after his begetting Salah X years, and begetteth sons and daughters. (dropped) An inadvertent error in Luke 3:36 is one thing. But the changes to Gen 11 cannot be inadvertent. It would have to have been done on purpose. Do you see my point? "Let us not lose sight of a very important fact of this discussion that is the account of the Fall and the Garden of Eden was probably passed through Abraham’s generation but second or third hand knowledge of people that had talked to Adam. This is important since we see accurate secular history preserved from this time period thus giving us still another assurance of the accuracy of the Biblical account. " I agree. Pastor Glenn |
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2 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | EdB | 140899 | ||
Pastor Glenn Greentwiga mentioned something that completely slipped from my mind. Reese and many other “date sitters” (for a lack of a better term, no offense meant) worked back through the Bible from known dates that could be established and verified in secular history. In other words they used archeological discoveries that established a date and worked backwards. One was King Solomon reign, another was the Exodus from Egypt recorded in both Egyptian and other cultural records. Now we come to an interesting point and the one that started this whole discussion. You did your forward dating and mentioned Jacob was about 50 when Noah’s son Shem died. I commented that Reese had Shem dying about the time of Jacob’s birth. A fifty-year discrepancy, no big thing but interesting and enough to keep us occupied for the last couple of days. :-). I went back into Reese and found he does not include the name of the “second” Cainan in his dating. Let me present this theory If Reese going back is fifty years later and your going forward is fifty years sooner. Perhaps the reconciliation is a missing GENERATION. Cainan if added would make Jacobs birth later thus reconciling Reese to your calculations that Jacob would have been fifty when Shem died. EdB |
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3 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | Pastor Glenn | 140910 | ||
EdB, "Let me present this theory If Reese going back is fifty years later and your going forward is fifty years sooner. Perhaps the reconciliation is a missing GENERATION. Cainan if added would make Jacobs birth later thus reconciling Reese to your calculations that Jacob would have been fifty when Shem died." Since we must use the Hebrew scriptures as the final authority, then the secular sources are secondary and put into doubt when they do not agree. Gen 11 12And Arphaxad hath lived five and thirty years, and begetteth Salah. 13And Arphaxad liveth after his begetting Salah four hundred and three years, and begetteth sons and daughters. So there can be no doubt that Arphaxad was 35 years old when Salah was born. And Arphaxad lived 403 years after Salah was born. Every Hebrew copy of Gen 11:12-13 does not include Cainan. No one doubts that Moses wrote Genesis in Hebrew. While the question remains concerning why older versions of Luke 3:36 did not include the second Cainan, and later copies did; no dates (years) are available anywhere that can be used to account for when he was born or when he died. So even if we could determine that he did in fact exist, the frustrating thing is, we cannot use any known dates to change our count of years from Adam.[:-(] Pastor Glenn |
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4 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | EdB | 140914 | ||
Pastor Glenn You missed my point. The accounting of Genealogy given in Genesis was never given to establish a date since there was never a beginning date given. All it shows is how many generations occurred between this character of the Bible and the next. However if we take an established beginning date such as the reign of Solomon and then use the Bible’s account of the number of generations based on age at death and births. And working back through the generations from Solomon we can place actual dates to various births and deaths so recorded. Reese doing this (I suppose) declares Shem died at or around the time of Jacobs birth. However you working strictly on the age at conception and death going forward from Adam place Jacob at about 50 years old at the time of Shem's death. That difference is approximately one generation. Let’s just for the sake of argument add that one generation (Cainan) to the mix. What do we find? Both you and Reese would be agreement. Interesting isn’t it? I’m not trying to modify the Bible I’m just showing that from the time or Adam based on age at conception of offspring and age at death we fall one generation short of the actual recorded history. Then I ask the question could the “second” Cainan be that lost generation. EdB |
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5 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | Pastor Glenn | 140918 | ||
"However you working strictly on the age at conception and death going forward from Adam place Jacob at about 50 years old at the time of Shem's death. That difference is approximately one generation. " My point is that biblically, the years between Adam's creation and Shem's death is solidly 2156 years. The actual BC year can vary based on external evidence, but as you can see, I do have a real problem seeing flexibility in the scriptures here. So I guess I am missing your point on purpose. :-) Sorry, Pastor Glenn |
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6 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | EdB | 140925 | ||
Pastor Glenn Again you missed what I was saying no one is asking to change the 2156 years. 2156 years as you say is fact. What I'm saying if you start at Solomon and place a date most commonly used 985BC and work back you end up with a 30-50 year hole. It is like a generation is missing. Either the date of Solomons reign is incorrect or there is in fact a generation missing. I just find that interesting in line with this conversation. EdB |
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