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1 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204974 | ||
Hello Tamara, Do I believe in soul sleep? Well, I wouldn't call it soul sleep. Usually the only ones who call it that are the ones who don't believe in it. I call it death. I don't get confused about "sleep" because of it being an idiom for death either. You're point on that is right, it was a euphemism. However, I believe that when you die, you ACTUALLY die, not just your body. You mention 2 Cor 5:8 and Phil 1:23. These are commonly taken to mean that once you leave the body you are present with the Lord. You also say that I have to read into it soul sleep. The problem with that is we (you, me, pretty much everyone) reads into Scripture whatever their theology is anyway. Some admit to this, others deny it, but we all do it, even though it is unintentional. Let me give you a little example. Rom 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Well, here we usually read into this verse that "death" means separation from God or hell. We all read into plenty of verses, we should just try to do this as little as possible, but we will all still do it. Now, you say that Paul was not meaning a 2000 year gap. You might be right. I don't have all the answers, that is for sure. However, if Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven, then how is it that we go to be with Him upon our death if no man has ascended to heaven (John 3:13, Acts 2:34 - David). That being said, when one dies then for them it is instantaneous. They don't know they are dead. It is sort of like anesthesia. You close your eyes and when you open them you are in the afterlife. You also mention that "Paul does not have any gap of time in mind here or he would have said so". Paul says neither and is quiet on the matter. Job says there is a gap of time (Job 14:7-17). It is definitely related as a time between death and resurrection. Anyway, I am rambling on. Soul sleep (or death as I call it) is really a minor point to me. It has much larger implications, but soul sleep is not too important really. But one more thing, if death is really the result of our sin. If that was really part of the curse God placed on Adam and Eve. Then what kind of curse is it if we don't really die? We just live on forever somewhere else right? You see, we still believe the very first lie don't we. "Ye shall not surely die: " (Gen 3:4). Take it for what you will. To avoid a debate I will let you have the last post. If you would like to discuss each other's points for more consideration you can email me at jamison2u@gmail.com jamison |
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2 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Tamara Brewington | 205110 | ||
last continuation, Tamara There is better evidence though that those who die do not fall asleep and then get woken up at the resurrection. Try Revelation. Revelation 6:9-11 When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will you refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth. These are saints who have been killed for their testimony in Christ Jesus and they are awake and crying out in heaven. They have not yet been resurrected from death, they are dead and they are in heaven. Their blood was shed on the earth and they are crying out for justice, imprecating the Lord. Revelation 7:9-11,13,14 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb." Then one of the elders answered me, saying to me, 'These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where do they come from?" I said to him, "My lord, you know." He said to me, 'These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb." A literal intrepretation of the Bible shows without deviance that soul sleep is a twisting of scriptures by taking them out of their proper context in order to fit a false doctrine. False doctrine comes from improper interpretation of scripture every time. This is why the exegesis must drive the theology every single time and why theology prevents a misinterpretation of scripture. This issue has been hashed about for two days now to the tune of over 25 eamils by Doc's last count. You never emailed me and you may have been busy and you don't have to email me. But you were not too busy to keep on posting refutation after refutation to the evidence presented to you over and over. You have me wondering, although not accusing you, what your intention was in saying that to avoid debate you were going to let me have the last post, but then you answered everyone else over and over? I want you to think about what basis you have to continue to believe in soul sleep after this final presentation of the evidence to the contrary to you. By His Grace, Tamara |
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