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1 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | Morant61 | 21891 | ||
Greetings Ed! I have seen many strange and wonderful things concerning salvation. I have been involved in amazing last minute salvations. I have seen people come to Christ out of the blue. I have been led by the Spirit to share Christ with people whom I thought were going to lash out at me physically they were so angry, but only minutes later were on their knees accepting Christ. I have talked with a man about his salvation, only to have his wife come in and ask if she too could accept Christ. A have had young children come to me because their parent's thought they were too young to accept Christ. I've seen almost 20 children come to the altar during VBS. But, I base my theology upon what Scripture says, not my experience. Does God seek and call? Or course, we know from Scripture (John 16:8) that the Holy Spirit convicts! But, that is not the crucial issue for me between C and A. The crucial issue to me is, "Does God desire all to be saved or not?" When I go out to evangelize, I do so with the full assurance that Christ died for all, loves all, and that He wants everyone to come to repentance. To me, this is the heart of Arminianism (or whatever label you want to attach)! So, what is so divisive or wrong about that? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | EdB | 21892 | ||
Tim I think I can put my finger on the problem. first let me quote you from your response to Charis, "The reason I say that one is right and one is wrong is simple. One says that God does not desire all to be saved. The other says that God does desire all to be saved. You can put whatever label you want on these views, but one is right and one is wrong." The Calvinist point of view goes much beyond this as does Arminian. I think the problem is we focus on one part we disagree with and throw the whole concept out. I guess what I'm saying is middle ground can believe the, Arminian concept, that God wants to save all, but no one is saved until God calls them with, Calvinist concept, a call that is irresistible, only to those that want more of God. EdB |
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3 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | Morant61 | 21894 | ||
Greetings Ed! I would agree that God calls, but whom does He call? The Calvinist position is that the call is limited only to the elect and irresistable. Thus, God only calls those whom He has elected to salvation. He does not call, nor does He want the rest to be saved. The Arminian position is that the call is universal, but resistable. God wants all to be saved, but only those who respond to the call are saved. Yes, there is more to both of these positions, but this is the core of both! Everything just expands upon or explains this basic core. Concerning your purposed middle ground, let me ask a couple of questions that I might better understand what you are purposing. 1) Since God wants to save all, does He call all? 2) Is the irresistible call based upon wanting to know more about God or based upon God's desire to save all? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | EdB | 21905 | ||
Tim To question your questions 1. Yes I believe God does offer salvation or call all. 2. I believe the call becomes irresistible to those that tasted and want more of God. However I think there are those that were offered a taste and refused. I think there are those that tasted and found the taste not within their desire. And I think there are those that refused to taste but a little bit fell from the spoon hit their spiritual mouth and whetted their appetite and they had to have more. EdB |
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5 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | Morant61 | 21916 | ||
Greetings Ed! Based on your answers, I would say that we view salvation identically, except I wouldn't use the term irresistable call. I believe that God desires all to be saved. I believe that Christ died for all. I believe that God offers salvation to all. I believe that every idividual, not just some, can respond to the offer of salvation. I believe that not everyone will respond affirmatively to the offer of salvation. So, we are fully in agreement! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | EdB | 21947 | ||
Tim Yes your right but I have also seen an irresistable side that will not let me say Calvinist don't have a point. I have seen some come to Jesus almost as if they had no control, like God have chosen them and they had to respond. EdB |
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