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1 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204974 | ||
Hello Tamara, Do I believe in soul sleep? Well, I wouldn't call it soul sleep. Usually the only ones who call it that are the ones who don't believe in it. I call it death. I don't get confused about "sleep" because of it being an idiom for death either. You're point on that is right, it was a euphemism. However, I believe that when you die, you ACTUALLY die, not just your body. You mention 2 Cor 5:8 and Phil 1:23. These are commonly taken to mean that once you leave the body you are present with the Lord. You also say that I have to read into it soul sleep. The problem with that is we (you, me, pretty much everyone) reads into Scripture whatever their theology is anyway. Some admit to this, others deny it, but we all do it, even though it is unintentional. Let me give you a little example. Rom 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Well, here we usually read into this verse that "death" means separation from God or hell. We all read into plenty of verses, we should just try to do this as little as possible, but we will all still do it. Now, you say that Paul was not meaning a 2000 year gap. You might be right. I don't have all the answers, that is for sure. However, if Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven, then how is it that we go to be with Him upon our death if no man has ascended to heaven (John 3:13, Acts 2:34 - David). That being said, when one dies then for them it is instantaneous. They don't know they are dead. It is sort of like anesthesia. You close your eyes and when you open them you are in the afterlife. You also mention that "Paul does not have any gap of time in mind here or he would have said so". Paul says neither and is quiet on the matter. Job says there is a gap of time (Job 14:7-17). It is definitely related as a time between death and resurrection. Anyway, I am rambling on. Soul sleep (or death as I call it) is really a minor point to me. It has much larger implications, but soul sleep is not too important really. But one more thing, if death is really the result of our sin. If that was really part of the curse God placed on Adam and Eve. Then what kind of curse is it if we don't really die? We just live on forever somewhere else right? You see, we still believe the very first lie don't we. "Ye shall not surely die: " (Gen 3:4). Take it for what you will. To avoid a debate I will let you have the last post. If you would like to discuss each other's points for more consideration you can email me at jamison2u@gmail.com jamison |
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2 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Tamara Brewington | 205008 | ||
Dear Jamison, I don't want the last word. Let's discuss this further off forum to avoid engendering a debate or digressing into a debate amongst all the forum members and you. I do not say this as a pointed comment towards you or forum members at all. And you did not ramble at all, you were being crystal clear about your view. Never feel shy about expressing what you truly believe in detail, it helps to make clear where you are coming from. We will not be debatting this issue at all, we will be discussing it at some length privately so that we can study it until we have exhasted the subject and got at the truth together. As long as we both stick to what we believe is the literal interpretation of the Bible, there will not be a real problem between us. But if there occurs allegorizing scriptures or symbolizing them, then there will most definitely be a problem between us. I do agree with Doc that theology is not based on speculation, and that doctrine is central here, very central, because depending on what you believe about Christ you will either go to heaven, or you will not. I also agree with Doc that a viable theology does not come about before having examined all the evidence, it comes after and is not the cause of misinterpreting scripture, but the preventing of misinterpreting scripture. And as far as soul sleep, that doctrine will not keep you out of heaven, but it did indeed has it's roots in false theologies of churches that carry a false doctrine of who Christ is, what He accomplished, and how redemption from original sin through to the resurrection works, of which soul sleep is a part. By His Grace, Tamara |
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