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1 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204976 | ||
Hello Val, As I mentioned in the reply to Tamara, we all read into the Scriptures our own theology. We shouldn't, and we should all try not too. But we all do this. The sooner one realizes it, the better they become at avoiding it, but since they are human, they still will. It is impossible not to. As for the verses, there are plenty. Mostly in the OT, but a few in the NT. I know you like to do the inductive Bible study one book at a time. However, sometimes you have to step back and look at it as a whole. The OT scribes did not seem to believe in an afterlife. There are verses that due to vague translations appear to say otherwise (Ecc 12:7) but upon closer examination you find it doesn't mean afterlife in the Hebrew. Anyway, the OT writers didn't seem to believe in an afterlife. All who died (whether good or bad) went to the same place, Sheol. Which was basically just the grave. Sheol is described as a place of no knowledge, can't remember or praise God, gloom and deep shadow, disorder, where even light is like darkness, no working or planning or wisdom. By the way, in case you didn't read the post to Tamara, I don't call it soul sleep I call it death. I believe you ACTUALLY die, not just your body. When reading the OT it is apparent these guys thought the same thing. I believe you actually die...until the resurrection that is. If we don't actually die, then Satan didn't really lie to us did he (Gen 3:4)? We just live on forever somewhere else. Here are some verses to consider - Job 12:20 - Job 14:7-17 - Psalms 6:5 - Ecc 3:18-21 - Ecc 9:5 - Ecc 9:10 What is more important than what these verses say is what the rest of the OT doesn't say. It does not talk about an afterlife except for Daniel and Job. Both have an idea of time elapsing between death and resurrection. jamison |
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2 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | DocTrinsograce | 204981 | ||
Dear Jamison, You wrote, "...we all read into the Scriptures our own theology..." You know, I've noticed that the people who say this all the time, give very little credence to theology, let alone sound exegesis, and hermeneutics. Instead, they depend on authorities external to the Scriptures. For example, this particular doctrine of soul sleep is a particularly important teaching of Ellen G. White. Despite a singular lack of Biblical training, this woman is deemed a prophetess by Seventh Day Adventists. Ellen White, writing about herself, relates, "When they came to the point in their study where they said, 'We can do nothing more,' the Spirit of the Lord would come to me, I would be taken off in vision, and a clear explanation of the passages we had been studying would be given me. ... Thus light was given that helped us to understand the Scriptures ... they accepted as light direct from heaven the revelations given [to me]." Another group that espouses this doctrine without the authority of Scripture are the Mormons. Their authority rests in extra-Biblical prophets. Joseph Smith said, "God made Aaron to be the mouthpiece for the children of Israel, and He will make me to be God to you in His stead, and the elders to be mouth for me." If I recall, there is a third group, well known for their lack of interest in sola Scriptura, while accusing everyone else of "reading their theology into the Scriptures." Didn't Charles Taze Russell espouse this soul sleep teaching? So, in an honest effort to fully disclose theological dispositions and presuppositions, what is your affiliation, Jamison? In Him, Doc |
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3 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204985 | ||
Doc, You can't just shoot down an idea because some other group might loosely agree with it. That is bad logic and very misleading to others reading your post. You have tried to lump me in with other religions in an attempt to discredit me. Anyone should be able to see the flaw there. For example, you believe that Jesus Christ came and died for sinners and that believing on Him is the way to be justified and go to heaven. Well, if I recall correctly (and I do since I have read the book of Mormon) that the Mormons believe the exact same thing. Does that mean you are a heretic or cult leader because one of your doctrines happens to coincide with one of theirs? I can give you more examples if necessary, but I think one is enough. If you want to point out an error in what I have written, please do. I am always looking to learn. But don't use silly arguments that don't hold up in an attempt to make me look foolish. To answer your question, I don't affiliate with any particular theological disposition or denomination or whatever. I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I do know the Way, the Truth, and the Life. I don't even agree with all the theology of the church I attend. I am not trying to line up with any predetermined theology. I am trying to line up with Christ. jamison |
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4 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Val | 204990 | ||
Jamison, the Mormons do not believe the exact same thing about Jesus. They add Joseph Smith. They believe or their leaders teach they must believe in Joseph Smith to go to heaven. They also believe their Jesus is Lucifer's brother. So you see they teach a different Jesus. Not the Lord of the Bible. They or their leaders teach that man can be God and have their own planet. They have added so much to the bible and made over 300 corrections to the Holy Bible. Do you see why you can't say that are exactly like us? They emphasize having large families and that entire families according to their plan go to heaven. Why do you think they are considered a cult? | ||||||
5 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Hank | 205015 | ||
Appropriate questions and excellent observations, Val. Keep standing in His grace and keeping holding fast to that which is good! ..... "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:8). The Greek word translated "accursed" is anathema, a mighty strong and emphatic word which refers to "devoting someone to destruction in eternal hell" (John MacArthur). God bless. --Hank | ||||||
6 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Val | 205089 | ||
Thanks Hank and John for your encouragement. I am glad everyone came out on this one. It has been a rough couple of days. Blessings Val | ||||||