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1 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204974 | ||
Hello Tamara, Do I believe in soul sleep? Well, I wouldn't call it soul sleep. Usually the only ones who call it that are the ones who don't believe in it. I call it death. I don't get confused about "sleep" because of it being an idiom for death either. You're point on that is right, it was a euphemism. However, I believe that when you die, you ACTUALLY die, not just your body. You mention 2 Cor 5:8 and Phil 1:23. These are commonly taken to mean that once you leave the body you are present with the Lord. You also say that I have to read into it soul sleep. The problem with that is we (you, me, pretty much everyone) reads into Scripture whatever their theology is anyway. Some admit to this, others deny it, but we all do it, even though it is unintentional. Let me give you a little example. Rom 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Well, here we usually read into this verse that "death" means separation from God or hell. We all read into plenty of verses, we should just try to do this as little as possible, but we will all still do it. Now, you say that Paul was not meaning a 2000 year gap. You might be right. I don't have all the answers, that is for sure. However, if Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven, then how is it that we go to be with Him upon our death if no man has ascended to heaven (John 3:13, Acts 2:34 - David). That being said, when one dies then for them it is instantaneous. They don't know they are dead. It is sort of like anesthesia. You close your eyes and when you open them you are in the afterlife. You also mention that "Paul does not have any gap of time in mind here or he would have said so". Paul says neither and is quiet on the matter. Job says there is a gap of time (Job 14:7-17). It is definitely related as a time between death and resurrection. Anyway, I am rambling on. Soul sleep (or death as I call it) is really a minor point to me. It has much larger implications, but soul sleep is not too important really. But one more thing, if death is really the result of our sin. If that was really part of the curse God placed on Adam and Eve. Then what kind of curse is it if we don't really die? We just live on forever somewhere else right? You see, we still believe the very first lie don't we. "Ye shall not surely die: " (Gen 3:4). Take it for what you will. To avoid a debate I will let you have the last post. If you would like to discuss each other's points for more consideration you can email me at jamison2u@gmail.com jamison |
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2 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | budderfligh | 204983 | ||
Hello jamison, I know your wish is not to debate this issue but I couldn't resist quoting what is probably the most well known verse in Scripture: Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Strong's cites the word everlasting to translate as "aionios" which is defined as: 1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be 2) without beginning 3) without end, never to cease, everlasting I believe a strong consideration of the word "whosoever" would also be valuable in this discussion. Ok, thanks for allowing me to speak what came to my heart. God bless you, budderfligh |
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3 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204988 | ||
Hello budderfligh, To be honest, I am not sure where you are going with the "whosoever" part. Since you feel it would be valuable, I will let you expound while I consider. Please do so if you like. jamison |
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4 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | budderfligh | 205035 | ||
Hi jamison, I was referring back to the original question as stated: "I have recently discussed with someone, the merits and demerits, of predestination. During the discussion, he asked me a question about those who have never heard the Gospel. I remember that during my personal study, I read about Gods will and plan for those people (who i suppose could also include young children and those unborn). Could anyone please help me locate this passage? I want to thank all of you who are so willing to offer help, advice, knowledge, and directions when asked. God bless you all." The focus of the whosoever part would of course address the portion of the question dealing with the original question. God bless, budderfligh |
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5 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | DocTrinsograce | 205061 | ||
"One question frequently stops Christians in their tracks: 'If the Gospel alone saves, then what about the heathen in Africa who never heard?' Can God justly convict a man who hasn't heard about Jesus? Some people hear the Gospel and reject it, but most never hear it. How can God condemn them? Christians are ill-equipped to respond because they don't really understand something vital about sin and mercy. Sin brings guilt. Mercy is a gift. Anyone who is a sinner receives punishment he deserves. Anyone who is saved receives mercy he does not deserve and which is not owed him. Think of this question: How could the sheriff send anyone to jail if he didn't offer him a pardon first? The answer is simple. If he's guilty, the sheriff is justified in throwing him in jail. There is no obligation to offer a pardon to a guilty man. The same is true of God. He can justly convict a man who has broken His law even though the sinner has heard nothing about God's pardon in Jesus. God owes no one salvation. He can offer it to whomever He wishes. That's why it's called grace." --Gregory Koukl | ||||||
6 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | ChildofGod1988 | 205101 | ||
How ever, God said that he sent his son Jesus for the WORLD.(john 3:16) He also says it is his will that all should come to him.( John 6:35-40) It sounds to me like God wants no one to spend eternity away from Him. When someone askes me "If the Gospel alone saves, then what about the heathen in Africa who never heard?," I respond first with, God is merciful, and He has a plan for them. And next with, What does it matter? You have heard the Gospel and now are presented with a choice... What will/have you choose/chosen?. God bless you , CoG1988 |
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7 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | lookinforacity | 205106 | ||
Hi CoG1988: the answer to your question,was made, to your original question. An interesting discussion/question (?) ChildofGod1988 Mon 07/7/08, 11:18pm HI CHILDOFGOD: I think this might b... lookinforacity Tue 07/8/08, 3:11am Have a Happy Jim |
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