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1 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | ChildofGod1988 | 204955 | ||
Dear Tamara, Thanks for the response. You actually brought up most of the points that my friend raised during our discussion. And my "rebuttal" for lack of a better word, was this. John 3:16. God loved THE WORLD, and sent his son, so that all MIGHT(not WOULD grant you) be saved. In your 3rd to last paragraph, I was interested that you gave a specific, and divided, interpretation of mercy and justice. In God these things are intertwined. They are not separate. You are quite right when you say that God is just, in that he requires payment for sins. But He is merciful because He provided Christ as atonement for our sins. Everyone who hears the gospel must CHOOSE to accept Christs sacrifice. I believe that God knows every choice we will make. However, If he made this choice for us, would not the point of Christs death be made moot??? And so there for would we be responsible for our choice? According to the example of justice we have in the bible(which is Gods example to us), It would be unjust to punish someone for a crime you made them commit. And if God truly destined some to be saved, and the rest to die. Isn't He making the choice for the ones he doesn't save? I would like to direct you to John 6. Specifically verse 40. Gods will is that ALL be saved through faith in Jesus. How can that be His will if He then turns around and destines some to heaven, and the rest to hell. It makes his statement in John 6:40 a lie. Doesn't it?? My friend then pointed out that "Man doesn't make the choice, someone is only saved because God reaches out to him." God destines those to be saved. I asked him, what then does Jesus mean in verses 43-51? It seems to me, that even though God first reaches out to someone, they still have a choice to make. Believe in what has been revealed to you, or don't believe. I appreciate the time you took in your post. However I disagree that God destines one to hell and not the other. For that is the core of calvanism/ predestination. It sounds harsh, but that is what it boils down to. God bless you all and have a good day |
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2 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Tamara Brewington | 204962 | ||
Dear ChildofGod, When man sinned he destined himself to hell, not God. That is what I meant by that God only chooses some to save. That statement does not leave out that the offer is being made to all men, but the fact is even though the offer was made all men still run away from it unless God uses the Holy Spirit to draw them back. Men do not chose soley on their own, they do choose, but no until the Holy Spirit convincts them of sin in their hearts. Salvation is a work of the Holy Spirit, you don't come to Christ without Him drawing you and woeing you to Him. I do not believe in full Calvinism school (there are many Calvinistic models) that states that God predestined the evil choices of all men and that men do not have a free will at all. I believe that men do have free will, but that without the working of the Holy Spirit will always choose to remain sinners because they are reprobate. That means that God does not foreordain men to be sinners and go to hell. It means that God foreknows who will go to hell and predistines some to be saved by His sovereign Holy will. That every one deserves to go to hell is the point, not whether God predestines any to go to hell, He does not, man made his decision a long time ago. There are schools of thought that believe Adam's sin was never transferred down to other men, as if other men would not have made the same bad choice. These folks think that no one is a sinner until they first commit one sin. The Bible does not teach this though. Neither does it teach that God predestines that some should sin, only that some would be saved. God's justice and mercy are not the same things although God's love is just and merciful. My goal was not to block out justice and mercy as different from God's love, but to see how those three things are working through predestination, foreknowledge and election. Love, justice and mercy all work in concert within the process described in Romans 8 through the three different but related concepts of predestination, foreknowledge and election. However, God's justice does not work the same way as His mercy, one condemns sin, the other forgives sin; He demands payment for sin and then offers every one forgiveness. His love is unconditional in that He loves the sinner, but it is conditional in that He hates the sin. This is one of the mysteries of God. Just as are the processes of predestination, foreknowledge and election. God's day to you, Tamara |
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3 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | stjohn | 204971 | ||
Dear Tam: That was a very good post-!! Most excellently put! God bless John |
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4 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | lookinforacity | 205009 | ||
Hi John: This is the question, incase you missed it. There have been only 2 answers given to it. Tamara's, and mine. You apparently think what Tamara posted was correct. While I on the other hand cant understand how this answer, answers the question posted by (ChildofGod) Please explain it to me. During the discussion, he asked me a question about those who have never heard the Gospel. I remember that during my personal study, I read about Gods will and plan for those people (who i suppose could also include young children and those unborn). Could anyone please help me locate this passage? Have a God Blessed Day Jim |
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5 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | stjohn | 205011 | ||
Jim: I didn't say wether any were correct, please do not read into what I said. There seem to be a problem reading into, what is not there. John |
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