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1 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | ChildofGod1988 | 204923 | ||
Dear fellow studiers of the word, I have recently discussed with someone, the merits and demerits, of predestination. During the discussion, he asked me a question about those who have never heard the Gospel. I remember that during my personal study, I read about Gods will and plan for those people (who i suppose could also include young children and those unborn). Could anyone please help me locate this passage? I want to thank all of you who are so willing to offer help, advice, knowledge, and directions when asked. God bless you all. |
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2 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Tamara Brewington | 204925 | ||
continuation Adults and children who are old enough to know they have sinned are another matter altogether. Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, becasue that which is known about God is evident within them; for God has made ir evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For though they knew God, they did not honor Him or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and theri foolish heart was darkened. This is called General Revelation. God made His power, His divine nature known to all men who have never even heard the gospel through what He has created. The entire universe, the stars the moon, the earth, the creatures are so wonderfully and awesomely made that man is able to see what God has made an internally know that there is a God who deserves worship. Man can look inside himself at how intelligently and wonderfully he has been made and functions and understand that there is a God who made him because God has made it envident. But men have decided to ignore the truth that they know there is a God and refuse to worship Him or give Him thanks. Every single culture that ever was worships soemthing because they know that there is a God. But because they are full of sin, they pervert that knowledge and worship gods, idols, self, things, creatures in every single culture, from the bush to civilizations to the jungle they all end up worshipping a false god and refuse to simply look into the sky and the jungle and the bush to see that there is one Holy God who made it all and worship Him instead. We are not talking about Jesus now we are talking about creation itself pointing to God. Where the light of General Revelation is, all men get to see God. And by that light God judges them by their response to that light. In every culture that failed miserably which is why the Bible says non may come to the Father but through Jesus. Special Revelation was first given to men before the fall and Adam and Eve rejected it. Special Revelation is all of the particular manifestations of God to particular men at particular times in the history of man. Adam first had miraculous experiences with God, they walked in the gardedn together and talked out lout together. Adam fell and that was no more between them. Then came all the patriarchs who had special miracles happen proving to them that God was there. Then the times of the Law and the Prophets and God kept on showing up doing miraculous wonders shwoing He was there. Then comes the most Special Revelation; Jesus Christ the Revelation of God, then comes the last Special Revelation - the God breathed word of the living God. It is only by this light that men will be able to come to God and be reconciled. God has justice - he requires payment in death and blood for sin, nobody deserves to live or go to heaven, no one at all. God has mercy - He chooses some out of every person who ever lived, who all run away from Him and head long towards hell - to be saved. This is predestination. God has perfect knowledge, and power and is every where, in the past present and future, He knows how His plan to save some will come to pass - this is foreknowledge. God has perfect justice, He chooses some to save by turning them around from their desire to remain sinners, and leaves the rest to freely choose to follow the road to hell because they rejected Him by whatever light they were given- this is election. Romans 8:28-30 Psalm 107:35 Let sinners be consumed from the earth and let the wicked be no more. Bless the Lord oh my soul. Praise the Lord! The Bible teaches that there is no such thing as people who do not know that God exist whether ever hear the gospel or not. They are held responsible by God according to the light they have been given. God is not obligated to save even one person and His justice in condemning all men is Holy. God chooses to save some out of every one as all have already rejected Him and are going to hell because God is merciful and His mercy is Holy. God saves the babies, the unborn, the young children all those who are not aware that they are sinning because they are not capable of understanding any light that He could give them, God is just and mercifull and Holy. God Bless Tamara |
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3 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | ChildofGod1988 | 204955 | ||
Dear Tamara, Thanks for the response. You actually brought up most of the points that my friend raised during our discussion. And my "rebuttal" for lack of a better word, was this. John 3:16. God loved THE WORLD, and sent his son, so that all MIGHT(not WOULD grant you) be saved. In your 3rd to last paragraph, I was interested that you gave a specific, and divided, interpretation of mercy and justice. In God these things are intertwined. They are not separate. You are quite right when you say that God is just, in that he requires payment for sins. But He is merciful because He provided Christ as atonement for our sins. Everyone who hears the gospel must CHOOSE to accept Christs sacrifice. I believe that God knows every choice we will make. However, If he made this choice for us, would not the point of Christs death be made moot??? And so there for would we be responsible for our choice? According to the example of justice we have in the bible(which is Gods example to us), It would be unjust to punish someone for a crime you made them commit. And if God truly destined some to be saved, and the rest to die. Isn't He making the choice for the ones he doesn't save? I would like to direct you to John 6. Specifically verse 40. Gods will is that ALL be saved through faith in Jesus. How can that be His will if He then turns around and destines some to heaven, and the rest to hell. It makes his statement in John 6:40 a lie. Doesn't it?? My friend then pointed out that "Man doesn't make the choice, someone is only saved because God reaches out to him." God destines those to be saved. I asked him, what then does Jesus mean in verses 43-51? It seems to me, that even though God first reaches out to someone, they still have a choice to make. Believe in what has been revealed to you, or don't believe. I appreciate the time you took in your post. However I disagree that God destines one to hell and not the other. For that is the core of calvanism/ predestination. It sounds harsh, but that is what it boils down to. God bless you all and have a good day |
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4 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | flinkywood | 204961 | ||
CoG, Have you considered this passage? Then He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will." (Mat 26:39) Colin |
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