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1 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204976 | ||
Hello Val, As I mentioned in the reply to Tamara, we all read into the Scriptures our own theology. We shouldn't, and we should all try not too. But we all do this. The sooner one realizes it, the better they become at avoiding it, but since they are human, they still will. It is impossible not to. As for the verses, there are plenty. Mostly in the OT, but a few in the NT. I know you like to do the inductive Bible study one book at a time. However, sometimes you have to step back and look at it as a whole. The OT scribes did not seem to believe in an afterlife. There are verses that due to vague translations appear to say otherwise (Ecc 12:7) but upon closer examination you find it doesn't mean afterlife in the Hebrew. Anyway, the OT writers didn't seem to believe in an afterlife. All who died (whether good or bad) went to the same place, Sheol. Which was basically just the grave. Sheol is described as a place of no knowledge, can't remember or praise God, gloom and deep shadow, disorder, where even light is like darkness, no working or planning or wisdom. By the way, in case you didn't read the post to Tamara, I don't call it soul sleep I call it death. I believe you ACTUALLY die, not just your body. When reading the OT it is apparent these guys thought the same thing. I believe you actually die...until the resurrection that is. If we don't actually die, then Satan didn't really lie to us did he (Gen 3:4)? We just live on forever somewhere else. Here are some verses to consider - Job 12:20 - Job 14:7-17 - Psalms 6:5 - Ecc 3:18-21 - Ecc 9:5 - Ecc 9:10 What is more important than what these verses say is what the rest of the OT doesn't say. It does not talk about an afterlife except for Daniel and Job. Both have an idea of time elapsing between death and resurrection. jamison |
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2 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Val | 204978 | ||
Hello Jamison, thank you for responding. I understand your position. For myself, I understand from the story of the rich man and the poor man that the poor man went to Abraham's bosom. There was a great gulf between where the rich man and the poor man was. When Christ defeated death it is believed He took those with Him from Abraham's bosom to heaven and closed that compartment. However the compartment that contained the rich man is still there. I know that Israel was promised a land. When they died in other lands, their bones were taken with them to the promised land. They believed that God would raise their bones from the dead. We know from the Mount of Transfiguration that Moses and Elijah are in heaven. We are told that Enoch walked with God, he never died, he was taken. When we look at the whole counsel of God, I believe we go straight to heaven upon death of the body if we are In Christ Jesus. Am I understanding you correctly that you believe the spirit dies until resurrection? | ||||||
3 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204987 | ||
Hello Val, No problem. Look them over if you like. Doesn't matter if you agree. Just understand that I switched to the soul sleep (actual death) side after it was presented to me and I researched all these things. I studied the rich man and Lazarus parable, Moses and Elijah, Enoch, etc. I may be wrong, but I did look into all these as well as others. For example, regarding the transfiguration, in Matt 7:9 Jesus tells the disciples to not tell anyone of the vision. I looked up the word translated as vision (horama 3705). It is used 11 other times in the NT and is pretty obvious in the other usages that it refers to like a dream (notice Acts 12:9 especially when Peter actually wondered if something were true or a vision [horama]). Anyway, just food for thought. To answer your question, I believe that body, soul, spirit, mind, consciousness, all of you dies at death. However, we will live again after the Resurrection. jamison |
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4 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Val | 204991 | ||
Are you saying you do not believe in hell? | ||||||
5 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 205047 | ||
Hello Val, I was not saying that anywhere. I was merely talking of actual death until the resurrection. However, that does mean that I do not think anyone is in hell right now. jamison |
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6 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Val | 205051 | ||
What denomination are your worshipping in now? | ||||||