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1 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | ChildofGod1988 | 204923 | ||
Dear fellow studiers of the word, I have recently discussed with someone, the merits and demerits, of predestination. During the discussion, he asked me a question about those who have never heard the Gospel. I remember that during my personal study, I read about Gods will and plan for those people (who i suppose could also include young children and those unborn). Could anyone please help me locate this passage? I want to thank all of you who are so willing to offer help, advice, knowledge, and directions when asked. God bless you all. |
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2 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Tamara Brewington | 204924 | ||
Dear ChildofGod, II Samuel 12 In this passage David repents of what he did kiling Uriah and the Lord says that He will visit evil on the house of David and kill David's child. David got ver sick when the Lord struck his child and would not eat and he fasted and lay on the ground all night. On the seventh day the child died and the servants went to tell David and were afraid that David would do himself harm because he had been so distraught. But when David saw that his servants were whispering together, David perceived that the child was dead; so David said to his servants, "is the child dead?" And they answered, "he is dead". So David arose from the ground anointed himself, and changed his clothes; and he came into the house of the Lord and worshipped. Then he came to his own house, and when he requested, they set food before him and he ate. Then his servants said to him, "what is this thing that you have done?" "While the child was alive, you fasted and wept; but when the child died, you arose and ate food." He said, "while the child was still alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, who knows, the Lord may be gracious to me, that the child may live. But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him and he will return to me." Do you see that last verse? I will go to him and he will return to me? David is referring to seeing this child in the in heaven after David dies, as this is the only way he could see the child again, and receiving back his child in the life here after. We know this is so becasue we know David went to heaven when he died, so then the child would also have to be in heaven. Think about it a while, it will sink in. This is an allusion in scripture to what will happen to children, babies, unborn, anyone who has not reached the age of accountability would fall under the scope of this scripture. God does not hold a person responsibile to anything but the light He has given them to see His two Revelations of Himself by. Children are not able to grasp and be responsible for the two Revelations God has given because they don't have a concsiousness of having sinned before a certain age that varries from child to child. more to come |
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3 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204937 | ||
Hello Tamara, Just a comment on your post... 2Sa 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me. This says the the child will NOT return to David, not that he would. Also, in Acts 2:34 Peter says specifically that David has not ascended to heaven, but (Acts 2:29) is dead and buried. Just a quick notation is all. PS, soul sleepers use the Acts 2 passage to defend soul sleep as well, believing in death being complete, not just body, until the resurrection when all shall be made alive. jamison |
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4 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Val | 204942 | ||
Jamison, do you believe in soul sleep? And if so are there any other passages you have studied to draw this conclusion? |
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5 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204976 | ||
Hello Val, As I mentioned in the reply to Tamara, we all read into the Scriptures our own theology. We shouldn't, and we should all try not too. But we all do this. The sooner one realizes it, the better they become at avoiding it, but since they are human, they still will. It is impossible not to. As for the verses, there are plenty. Mostly in the OT, but a few in the NT. I know you like to do the inductive Bible study one book at a time. However, sometimes you have to step back and look at it as a whole. The OT scribes did not seem to believe in an afterlife. There are verses that due to vague translations appear to say otherwise (Ecc 12:7) but upon closer examination you find it doesn't mean afterlife in the Hebrew. Anyway, the OT writers didn't seem to believe in an afterlife. All who died (whether good or bad) went to the same place, Sheol. Which was basically just the grave. Sheol is described as a place of no knowledge, can't remember or praise God, gloom and deep shadow, disorder, where even light is like darkness, no working or planning or wisdom. By the way, in case you didn't read the post to Tamara, I don't call it soul sleep I call it death. I believe you ACTUALLY die, not just your body. When reading the OT it is apparent these guys thought the same thing. I believe you actually die...until the resurrection that is. If we don't actually die, then Satan didn't really lie to us did he (Gen 3:4)? We just live on forever somewhere else. Here are some verses to consider - Job 12:20 - Job 14:7-17 - Psalms 6:5 - Ecc 3:18-21 - Ecc 9:5 - Ecc 9:10 What is more important than what these verses say is what the rest of the OT doesn't say. It does not talk about an afterlife except for Daniel and Job. Both have an idea of time elapsing between death and resurrection. jamison |
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6 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Val | 204978 | ||
Hello Jamison, thank you for responding. I understand your position. For myself, I understand from the story of the rich man and the poor man that the poor man went to Abraham's bosom. There was a great gulf between where the rich man and the poor man was. When Christ defeated death it is believed He took those with Him from Abraham's bosom to heaven and closed that compartment. However the compartment that contained the rich man is still there. I know that Israel was promised a land. When they died in other lands, their bones were taken with them to the promised land. They believed that God would raise their bones from the dead. We know from the Mount of Transfiguration that Moses and Elijah are in heaven. We are told that Enoch walked with God, he never died, he was taken. When we look at the whole counsel of God, I believe we go straight to heaven upon death of the body if we are In Christ Jesus. Am I understanding you correctly that you believe the spirit dies until resurrection? | ||||||
7 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204987 | ||
Hello Val, No problem. Look them over if you like. Doesn't matter if you agree. Just understand that I switched to the soul sleep (actual death) side after it was presented to me and I researched all these things. I studied the rich man and Lazarus parable, Moses and Elijah, Enoch, etc. I may be wrong, but I did look into all these as well as others. For example, regarding the transfiguration, in Matt 7:9 Jesus tells the disciples to not tell anyone of the vision. I looked up the word translated as vision (horama 3705). It is used 11 other times in the NT and is pretty obvious in the other usages that it refers to like a dream (notice Acts 12:9 especially when Peter actually wondered if something were true or a vision [horama]). Anyway, just food for thought. To answer your question, I believe that body, soul, spirit, mind, consciousness, all of you dies at death. However, we will live again after the Resurrection. jamison |
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8 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Val | 204991 | ||
Are you saying you do not believe in hell? | ||||||
9 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 205047 | ||
Hello Val, I was not saying that anywhere. I was merely talking of actual death until the resurrection. However, that does mean that I do not think anyone is in hell right now. jamison |
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10 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Val | 205051 | ||
What denomination are your worshipping in now? | ||||||