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1 | Sovereignty and Free-Will | John | JRdoc | 61266 | ||
If man is sovereign in his choice than God is not God. Arminianism re-defines terms such as foreknowledge, election, calling, grace etc to be just mere speculations of God's desire and make salvation a work of man vs. the sole work of God. I do not assert that man does not have a will, but it is not the free-will the Arminian thinks..there is no Scriptural support for it. If I cannot use Scripture than I do not see where a conversation about this would be valuable as all truth is from THE text alone. I do not discuss the WHAT IF's of philosophy when the I AM of Scripture has already spoken to the point. I see no verses when correctly interpreted and in context that fit the Arminian scheme of Scripture. Since you believe that Christ died for ALL SIN for ALL MEN then you must be a universalist for ALL would need to be saved. UNBELIEF is a sin, and you say Christ died for it for everyone without exception. Yet the Scripture affirms that many are lost. Thus, Scripture does not back that view. |
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2 | Sovereignty and Free-Will | John | Sir Pent | 61272 | ||
Perhaps we're at an impass.............................. Dear JRdoc, I am dissapointed that you feel like we can’t continue our discussion. I am not asking you to stop using scripture, in fact, I encourage you to do so. I am only asking that you don’t use scripture to attack the assumption (Arminian perspective) because that has been done already elsewhere on the forum (and is currently happening as well, I might add). I would ask you to supply some scripture that would indicates that BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION BEING TRUE, would negate the sovereignity of God. If you are unable to put yourself in the other persons shoes, then this may be impossible for you. However, I have tried to state the Calvinist position from their perspective in a fair way, and would ask you to at least try to answer the question from a point of understanding (although not agreeing of course) the Arminian perspective. If you can’t do this then I would encourage you to at least read the thread that I am discussing this with John Reformer. We seem to be understanding each other better and perhaps you might learn something from reading that thread. ............................................................ P.S. I am not a universalist. I disagree with that perspective. |
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3 | Sovereignty and Free-Will | John | JRdoc | 61274 | ||
But, if the assumption is false (as it is) there is NO Scripture to support it. Yes, every verse when in context proves that God is sovereign in the Calvinistic viewpoint of the Scripture, show me one that is not? Why argue something that cannot be supported or is just a mere assumption. You are arguing WHAT IF's that DO NOT exist? What you are proposing mounts to a straw-man which is of not value...we then would be reducing the Scripture to "a" philosophy...this I am not willing to do. If you will state a Scripture I will either state the truth ot link you to a site that displays it (some explainations are too long to post here), but away from the Scripture I do not embark...that is a dark, dark road. |
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