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1 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | atdcross | 162821 | ||
Eph 1:11 - Note (from the NIV), it reads not God “causes everything” but God “works out everything.” As such, yes, suffering is included in “everything” that God “works out.” | ||||||
2 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 162827 | ||
Eph 1:11 in whom also we did obtain an inheritance, being foreordained according to the purpose of Him who the all things is working according to the counsel of His will, (Young's) Eph 1:11 in whom we also have been chosen to an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of the One working all things according to the counsel of His own will, (LITV) Eph 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, (ESV) Eph 1:11 in whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will; (ASV) Eph 1:11 in Him in whom also we were appointed by lot [or, obtained an inheritance], having been predestined according to the purpose [or, plan] of the One supernaturally working all [things] according to the counsel [or, intention] of His will, (Analytical/Literal) The phrase in question, "Who works all things" is "tou ta panta energountos", the key word being "energeo". Here is Thayer's Definition: 1) to be operative, be at work, put forth power 1a) to work for one, aid one 2) to effect 3) to display one’s activity, show one’s self operative This is Strong's: to be active, efficient: - do, (be) effectual (fervent), be mighty in, shew forth self, work (effectually in). Quite simply, this is "to work an original work". To say, "work out", we are saying "to take what has already been worked (as an original work) and change it, or manage it. I do not believe that is what this text is saying. God is in control, and that is good news to me! Love in Christ, Mark |
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3 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | atdcross | 162842 | ||
Hi, Mark. Thank you for the compliments. I hope I don’t disappoint you as the discussion goes on. Not knowing Greek, I apologize if I missed something, but it seems you added “an original work” to the definition. I do not see where any of the definitions you display mention or imply it. Since this seems to be the emphasis in your objection, please advise. Otherwise, I don’t see how these definitions, as you have quoted them, argue against my view. |
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4 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 162847 | ||
Hi atdcross, I hope I do not disappoint you, my friend! As I am looking at this more, I wonder that I could be wrong about this verse. So I will drop this passage from our current discussion until I have the chance to study it more. However, this does not change the other passages mentioned. I will be happy to return to those. Love in Christ, Mark |
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