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1 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | atdcross | 162584 | ||
Hi Doc! Hope you had a good day off. It seems all the verses you cited, for the most part, involve God’s judgment against the ungodly, the sinner. None are suggesting that God is inflicting suffering upon believers, that is, the ones who are faithful to him, the godly. Is there any reference to God inflicting suffering on one who is godly? I did not say all suffering is caused by one’s personal acts of sin, although I will say, in general, that suffering is always associated with sin. If there were no sin, there would be no suffering. We are all victims as well as perpetrators of sin. In Luke, Jesus seems to affirm universal guilt: “unless you repent you will, in the same way, perish.” As such, Jesus was associating sin with suffering in general. As far as John 9, again, Jesus did not answer the question of guilt or innocence but ignored it altogether; nor is he saying that God caused the suffering. Jesus is preoccupied with what God will do in spite of it. Furthermore, God showed his glory, not by inflicting suffering, but by healing. The study of “God Himself” is what has led me to believe as I do. I disagree with the Baptist Confession. I also cannot agree with Edwards that the sovereignty of God, when properly understood, is a stumbling block. I am of the opinion that certain views, Biblically unwarranted, of divine sovereignty are a “stumbling block on which thousands fall and perish.” I can agree with Wright and Piper’s statement at face value; it all depends on what they mean by certain terms used, like “rule,” “govern,” and “sovereign.” As omnipotent as God is, someone wrote something to the effect that God cannot rightly do to men (whom he created) whatever it is in his power to do to them. Please allow me at this point ot make it clear that I am not attempting to influence anyone to my views. I am only sharing them. |
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2 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | lionheart | 162725 | ||
Hey atdcross, Hope this day finds you well and blessed of God. I will agree with you we are all perpetrators of sin (Romans 3:23).I dont see anything that says we are victims.Do we deal with consequences of sin,ours or some one elses? Yes,every day.The consequence and result of Adam and Eve's sin was death. Its something that if the Lord tareys long enough we will all have to face. Heb 9:27. When Saul was sent out to destroy the Amalekites God told him to utterly destroy all. He didnt fully comply. We know the rest. Saul attempted to shift the blame. In a sense he may have looked like a victim.Not! He made his choice and chose to not deal with his sin. I've heard this refered to as the Saul syndrome at times.Because of what jesus Christ did there are no victims. There are those who repent Acts 2:38,1 John 1:9 and there are those who dont or wont repent.There are no victims here. I will say this we can fall victim to circumstance,even consequence totally not of our doing. But we can claim Ephesians 3:20 on a daily basis. Somtimes I think there are alot of us suffering from the Saul syndrome,myself included.We are not victims,we can repent,we can deal with our sin,we can trust God.We can trust God to help get us through lifes daily challenges.Philippians 4:13. No one has to have a victims mentality. In Christ, lionheart |
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3 | Suffering and God's providence | Bible general Archive 3 | atdcross | 163065 | ||
You said, “I dont see anything that says we are victims.” In general, because of our First Parents’ disobedience, we are all victims of their sins, having become sinners, under the sentence of death, and ruled by demonic powers (Romans 5:12). In particular, we are all victims of one another. One is the victim of murder and another of abusive parents; mild or severe, we are all victims of someone’s negative or sinful behavior. That is not to deny we are responsible for our conduct, responses, failures, our own victimization of others; nor does it relieve us of guilt. |
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