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1 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 41768 | ||
Reformed, you said, "You do not have an accurate understanding of calvinism" Do I need to understand Calvinism before I can understand Scripture? If so then how did the early apostles understand Scripture who lived before Calvin? Is the Holy Spirit able to teach and guide us in God's word, or do we need to receive our interpretation from men? Does Scripture have to agree with Calvinism? Or does Calvinism need to agree with Scripture? If what I post disagrees with Calvinism is that dishonoring Scripture? Can orthodox teaching exist without Calvinism or Arminianism, terms which I have not mentioned, neither do I care to? Calvinism and Arminianism divides, but Christ Jesus unites. Neither do I intend to be unkind, but I don't care what Calvin, Arminius, or any of their disciples taught. My main concern is: "Nevertheless what saith the scripture?" (Gal. 4:30a) See ya when I return from my trip in about a week. God Bless |
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2 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 41775 | ||
New creature, I haven't read the Arminius version of the Bible but I think that the Book of John must read different then mine. Possibly as follows! John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life, which only last for a few days sometimes, then they lose it and then there are some who get it again. I am not the brightest person in the world for sure but unless God is try to trick me, which I'm sure he's not, what does not perish mean, and how long is eternal? Since God knows everything and he knew that I could lose my salvation, which according to some I can, why would God bother saving me in the first place if he knew I could lose it? There will be some that will argue with me till they are blue in the face with a bunch of Scripture that they would like to quote, but all I can say is they don't know what I know or the wouldn't be arguing about it. John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. Some believers haven't entered into this rest as yet,CDBJ |
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3 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 44653 | ||
CDBJ; I have been away on a trip and have just noticed this reply of yours to me, so forgive me for not noticing, and responding back to you sooner. I just want to make a comment on a question you asked. You asked "how long is eternal?" To which I will reply my thoughts on the matter. Keep in mind these are my thoughts and I don't expect you to agree with them. So "how long is eternal?" The fact life is "eternal" does not prove we cannot lose it. "Eternal" describes the nature of the life. It has nothing to do with whether it can or cannot be lost. One of the most commonly presented arguments given in defense of the teaching of "once saved always saved" goes like this: When one gets saved, he receives eternal life. If that life could be lost, it wouldn't be eternal. Therefore, once a person is saved, he is always saved. Eternal life was eternal even before a saved person ever possessed it. Does it not follow then, that eternal life will still remain eternal, even if one doesn't continue to possess it? I am also reminded that even the unsaved possess eternal life, it's just that their eternal life won't be nearly as pleasant as the eternal life which the saved shall experience. So I guess I might say, eternal life certainly is eternal. The big question is where will you and I spend eternity? For you and myself as well I believe that it will be in the better of the two places. |
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4 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 44657 | ||
I hope that your trip was one of a pleasant nature. The eternal life isn't something that believers acquire, it is actually the by product, if I may use such terms, that comes to the one who puts all of his trust in God's Son. When Christ enters the believer's soul, as it were, he is there for keeps. Hebrews 13:5 B I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. You said in your statement, (The fact life is "eternal" does not prove we cannot lose it. "Eternal" describes the nature of the life. It has nothing to do with whether it can or cannot be lost.) I didn't do anything to get eternal life and I am not doing anything to keep it; it all depends on the Lord so how can I do anything to lose it? What sin could I possibly commit that is to big for the plan of God; or what sin in didn't Christ die for, other then not believing in Him, and since the problem of unbelief was handled at the point of salvation all of the problems are taken care of by God. It is interesting to note that the word believe, as in Acts 16:31, was from the Koine Greek word (pisteuo) and it is in the aorist tense. The aorist tense is an action performed in a point of time, yet divorced from time and perpetuated forever. It is kind of like jumping out of an airplane in your birthday suit and on the way down you decide that you want to change your mind: your fate isn't in your hands at that point, it is the same way with salvation. If the Lord doesn't want to reveal this fact to some, that is his prerogative, but it sure opened up a wealth of praise for me when I learned it; It taught me more of just how wonderful my salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ really is and how to rest in Him. I use to think the same way that you do about losing salvation. Yours in Christ, CDBJ |
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5 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 44662 | ||
Thanks for your reply you stated; "When Christ enters the believer's soul, as it were, he is there for keeps." and cited the following verse. Hebrews 13:5 B I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. The fact that God will never leave or forsake thee, speaks of the impossibility of God ever leaving or forsaking us, but says nothing about the possibility of us leaving or forsaking Him. The Lord is with you, while ye be with him ... but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you. (2 Chr. 15:2 |
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6 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 44688 | ||
Your reference in (II Chr. 15:2) is in the Old Testament where it was also said in Psalm 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. This is also impossible now, since the advent of Christ. I think a verse that you could have used to better try and prove your point would have been 2 Tim. 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: You stated; The fact that God will never leave or forsake thee, speaks of the impossibility of God ever leaving or forsaking us, but says nothing about the possibility of us leaving or forsaking Him. The only problem is that the verse that follows proves my point and the answer to our leaving him or believing not once we have believed. 2 Tim. 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. It is like I said in my earlier post. (If the Lord doesn't want to reveal this fact to some, that is his prerogative) I sure am glad that he reveal this truth to me; the nice part is that I am out from under the gun. It sure is sad though to think that you might mess up some day and lose out; which is what you are implying, right? You might as well blot out 1 John 5:10-13 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. The reason being you don't believe this can be taken at face value; or you need to add (but you can lose it at the very end) I hope you know that I am being sarcastic, CDBJ |
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7 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 44741 | ||
The same God of the OT is also the same God of the new testament, even though the animal sacrifices have now been done away with. The verse from the OT which I quoted in my last response still applies to believers in NT times, as well as does the OT verse you mentioned. Those in the OT are saved the same way we are by grace through faith. Concerning 1 John 5:10-13 which you posted. When it states: "12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." "hath life" is present tense and the word "believe" is a verb whch is continuous and on-going. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. (1 Jn. 2:24) There is the need for endurance. Faith is not a starting point, but is merely the beginning point of our walk with Christ. Paul referred to the Christian life as a race. And a race has both a starting point and a finish line as well. Thats why scripture says: "well done thou good and faithful servant" This one endured and crossed the finish line. Scripture repeatedly states: "he that endureth till the end, the same shall be saved." (Mt. 10:22; 24:13; Mark 13:13) Salvation does not consist of a single, irrevocable commitment, whether past or present. Being saved is the experience of living Christ's own life by divine imputation and impartation. It is never a reality except in continual, dynamic relationship with Jesus. we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end. (Heb. 3:14) |
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8 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 44762 | ||
How do you do away with the fact that we are born into God's family by being born again and have become a new creation? Just like the family that you were born into physically no mater happens you can't be unborn. Please tell me what sin it that you might commit that is to great for the plan of God? |
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9 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 44796 | ||
Just as there is physical life and death, there is spiritual life and death. I may not be able to be unborn, but I can die either physical, or spiritual. Some teachers I have heard say: "you cannot out sin the grace of God" I believe you can, and I don't believe it is a single sin that any individual committs. |
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10 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 44807 | ||
It is (my opinion) that those who think that they can lose their salvation are putting more emphasis on the inabilities of man, then they do the abilities of God and his sovereignty to save those that are resting in of his plan. John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. How many times can those that believe this way be saved or born again, it there a limit? Or is there no hope for them once they commit these sins that you mention? Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. What if you might have committed one of these bad sins that you suggest, that means that you might be in the category of Hebrews just mentioned! |
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11 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 44814 | ||
If I endure, as scripture says I shall be saved, but if I endure till the end it is only becuase I continued to rely and depend on Him. We have to abide in Him. But it is His work as I continue to trust in Him. Reread my last reply, I didn't ever suggest a single sin would cause someone to become hopelessly lost |
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12 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 44823 | ||
You said, Reread my last reply, I didn't ever suggest a single sin would cause someone to become hopelessly lost Yes that is right you did; so then (what are these many sins) that you assume can cause the loss of your salvation? And as for the first part of your post, " If I endure, as scripture says I shall be saved," where in the scripture did you find that, which is in context with your salvation through Christ? |
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13 | CDBJ, 1 sin in a lifetime, means death? | Bible general Archive 1 | Searcher56 | 44825 | ||
CDBJ, Would single sin cause a person to be lost, before they recieve Christ? If they never sinned, would they need Christ? |
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14 | CDBJ, 1 sin in a lifetime, means death? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 44853 | ||
To begin with, of which I am sure you know, when you take your first breath you are a sinner, because we are born in sin. Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; We inherited this from dear old grandpa Adam, as we were in him when he sinned. The Bible say that we can reverse the outcome of this condition by being in Christ. 1 Cor. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. The object according to this is to be in Christ; and therein lies the problem. Ever since Christ died on the cross to pay for the sins of the world, sins have not been the issue for salvation. 1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Now if our individual sins are not the issue what is? There is only one thing that can keep a person out of heaven because God did all the work that is required. It is the work of the Holy Spirit to reveal to a lost world what the one sin is that can keep a person from eternal life with God and from being (in) Christ John 16:8-9 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9Of sin, because they believe not on me; The only thing that will keep a person out of heaven is rejecting God's Christ, his Son Jesus. Believing in Jesus Christ is all that God ask of us for salvation. Jesus Christ has paid for all our sins, past present and future. The big problem though is with the English word that has been translated believe from the Koine Greek word (pistis). The depth of the meaning of pistis cannot be grasped by using one word in the English and this is where people miss out. You said, (If they never sinned, would they need Christ?) The last part of your question is apparently loaded so I will answer it this way; there was one that was born that didn't have any sin, so did he need a savior? CDBJ |
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