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1 | One born of God cannot sin? | 1 John 3:9 | M. J. Head | 144316 | ||
I agree completely with you! Anyone born of or fathered by God connot even be capable of sin! We are a new creation (of God). (1Pet 1:23 ; Eph 4 24 etc.) If we are born again unto eternal life, how could that new creation be even cabable of sin? If so, then Christ died in vain!! M. J. Head |
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2 | One born of God cannot sin? | 1 John 3:9 | BadDog | 144418 | ||
Of course, just saying such a thing sounds ludicrous. But our new nature - the one created by the Spirit when we trusted in Him, is not able to sin. BD |
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3 | One born of God cannot sin? | 1 John 3:9 | Hank | 144431 | ||
Bad Dog :: The sense conveyed throughout John's first epistle is not that the redeemed leads a life of complete cessation of sin but a life that is not characterized by sin. Proof of John's thinking on the subject lies in 2:1: "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin." He continues by opening the possiblity of sinning and offering the remedy: "And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous." ..... John continues to expand on the topic in 2:4: "and He Himself [Christ] is the propitiation for our sins [John was writing to regenerate believers]; and not to ours only, but also for those of the whole world." Propitiation refers to the turning away of God's wrath [see also 4:10]. The holiness of God demands punishment for man's sin; therefore, God, out of love [John 3:16], sent His Son to make substitutionary atonement for the believer's sin, thus propitiating [satisfying, appeasing] the wrath of God against the Christian's sin, turning it away and directing it towards Christ, who, on the cross, finished the work that He came to earth to do. ...... To interpret John's epistle to mean that disciples of Christ always live absolutely perfect and sinless lives renders Christ's words in Matthew 6:12 meaningless: "Forgive our debts as we also have forgiven our debtors." A man who has no sin has no reason to pray for forgiveness. And we should bear in mind that Christ's words of instruction on prayer were given for the benefit of regenerate believers, His disciples. --Hank | ||||||
4 | One born of God cannot sin? | 1 John 3:9 | BadDog | 144449 | ||
Hank, I imagine that I didn't make myself very clear. Of course - no one can come close to living a life completely free from sin. Obviously, looking at 1:6-10 and 2:1,2, John expected that his readers would have to deal with sin. I agree with what you've said here, BTW. The penalty for our sin has already been paid - once for all. The purpose of "confession" is not to get sins forgiven that otherwise would result in hell-fire. That's been dealt with once-for-all. 1 John 1:3 what we have seen and heard we also declare to you, so that you may have fellowship along with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. This is what I believe to be the thematic verse for 1st John. 1st John is all about how to have fellowship with God (and other believers). Now I imagine that no one on this board really thinks that John is saying here that a true believer does not sin AT ALL - EVER. So then, just why did John express it in 1 John 3:6-9 like this? Was he trying to confuse us? Obviously not. It only makes sense IMO in view of the Cerenthus heresy which was rampant at the time. Remember that John did start out this letter in a similar manner to his gospel with "That which was from the/a beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have beheld and handled with our hands, concerning the Word of Life." This is a clear reference to Jesus in the flesh - they saw and touched Him. And John's reference to "beginning" here negates Cerenthus' claim that the man Jesus had a beginning separate from the Son of God. You see, at the time of the writing of this letter, John faced a serious heretical teaching. His chief opponent was Cerenthus. (Cerenthus taught that when the man Jesus was baptized that at that point that the Son of God entered into Him. Then, when He gave up His spirit on the cross, the Son of God left the man Jesus. He did not believe in a literal resurrection.) What developed form this heretical teaching was a "docetist" claim that when we sinned it was merely our body, our flesh, and hence didn't matter. Of course, this isn't true. Whenever we sin such sinning does not proceed from God... ever. And that, IMO, was what John meant by saying that one "born again" does not sin. IMO the key to understanding 1 John is just that - the absoluteness... When we use expressions instead of "continue in sin" or "keep on sinning" we miss John's point. 1 John 1:5 - Now this is the message we have heard from Him and declare to you: God is light, and there is absolutely no darkness in Him. 1 John 1:6 - If we say, "We have fellowship with Him," and walk in darkness, we are lying and are not practicing/doing the truth. 1 John 1:8 - If we say, "We have no sin," we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:10 - If we say, "We have not sinned," we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. 1 John 2:2 - He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not only for ours, but also for those of the whole world. 1 John 2:4 - The one who says, "I have come to know Him," without keeping His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:9 - The one who says he is in the light but hates his brother is in the darkness until now. 1 John 2:11 - But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness, walks in the darkness, and doesn't know where he's going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. 1 John 2:15, 16 - Do not love the world or the things that belong to the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in him. Because everything that belongs to the world ... is not from the Father, but is from the world. 1 John 2:22, 23 - Who is the liar, if not the one who denies that Jesus is the Messiah? He is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son can have the Father; he who confesses the Son has the Father as well. 1 John 2:25, 26 - And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life. I have written these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 1 John 2:29 - If you know that He is righteous, you know this as well: everyone who does what is right has been born of Him. 1 John 3:4 - Everyone who commits sin also breaks the law; sin is the breaking of law. 1 John 3:5 - You know that He was revealed so that He might take away sins, and there is no sin in Him. 1 John 3:6 - Everyone who remains (abides) in Him does not sin; everyone who sins has not seen Him or known Him. OK, gotta stop here - post getting too long. BD |
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