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1 | Predestination question? | 1 Tim 2:4 | John Reformed | 84658 | ||
Good Morning Tim, I think it a mistake to isolate v.18 from 17. Afterall, 18 is a summary of that which preceeded it. 17 limits 18 to "those who recieve the abundance of grace". Because of the sin of Adam, all men come into this world condemned. Their lives are characterized by one overarching reality; they are ruled by death. God sent Christ to save "His people" from their sins (Mat 1:21). As you know, it is not sound exegesis to propound or deny any doctrine on the basis of a single verse. There must be a harmony between doctrine and the whole Word of God. Are all men justified by the "one act of righteousness". No! Are all men born condemned by "the transgression of the one"? Yes! Therefore, the answer I offer to your question,... "Romans 5:18 connects the two clauses with the comparative 'even so'. If the extent in the first clause is universal, why then would the extent in the second clause be limited?", ...is that 18 does not stand alone and the modifier is found in 17. Your Brother John |
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2 | Predestination question? | 1 Tim 2:4 | Scribe | 84669 | ||
John, You state " Are all men justified by the "one act of righteousness". No! Are all men born condemned by "the transgression of the one"? Yes!" In my opinion you are missing the clear meaning of the verse. But not just this one. As you have stated there are many more that Paul preached that we could us to add to it. More so than the ones that might seem to say otherwise at first glance. But I will save the list for another time. Sticking to this one passage it does indeed declare that ALL men are justified by one act of righteousness. All they have to do is appropriate it by faith. This is why it is not called works. The work is already done. When you were saved Jesus did not do a new work that day for you to save you. He did not get back on the cross for you on that day. He had already done it at the cross. And the great and glorious mystery of God is that He had already finished it at the foundations of the world. But it did you no good until you had faith. So Yes all men are justifed by the Act of One Jesus Christ. And most of the time both sides of this question will end up saying similar if not the same things. No not all men will repent and be born again. But all men will only have themselves to blame becuase they can pursue good, and if they do, God will lead them into more light, eventually into saving faith. If they choose evil, they will be driven to darkness. And those that are in darkness destined to desctrucion, becuase they choose death, even they God will use to fulfill his purposes. So repeating again. Are all men justified by the one act of righteousness? I say Yes. This is the Good News.. go Herald it from the mountain tops.. some will hear and have faith and cry out to God in adoration and praise at so great and undeserved a salvation.. Others will thumb their noses at it and say "eh! I don't believe it" and they will go into perdition and the believers will be made holy and enter life. God Bless you as you study the Word. |
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3 | Predestination question? | 1 Tim 2:4 | John Reformed | 84681 | ||
Dear Scribe, You wrote "Sticking to this one passage it does indeed declare that ALL men are justified by one act of righteousness. All they have to do is appropriate it by faith." Sounds like man must contribute something (faith) in order to activate his justification. Of course there is no proof that unregenerate man has been endowed with a latent justification that he can activate by "accepting" Christ. It sounds like a new teaching to me. Is it new? Perhaps, if you look again at the previous verse (17) you will see that (18) is a summation of that which preceeded it. Rom 5:17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more THOSE WHO RECEIVE the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. (CAPS MINE). Peace and Grace John |
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4 | Predestination question? | 1 Tim 2:4 | Scribe | 84928 | ||
Thanks for your posts John. I am not going to add any more to it at this time. It seems to me that we are saying the same thing when it comes to the actual text itself. It is the additional interpretations that seem to go off in different paths. Yes the text is clear. We agree that all those that receive the gift are justified and at least that ALL those that recieve it are granted Life. The difference in opinion will be about whether a man has the ability to have faith, I am sure that he can except when he sins againt knowledge and then is given over to a reprobate mind. I am sure that scripture is clear that all men are born with the ability to seek after God, but that all men go their own way. All men can reach out toward God in faith in the light that they have and God will grant more light. Of course a mans choices will determine whethe he is given more light. What kind of intellectual mind bending is taught in seminary to make a person ignore all the scriptures that state such a thing is beyond me, but I know they pull it off everyday. I steer clear of all such confusion. I live this truth everyday. As long as I humble myself before the Lord in repentance and obedience the more understanding and illumination I recieve. If I draw back and refuse to give up something the Lord has put "his finger" on, I experience almost immediate halt in my spiritual growth, and illumination. May we keep our eye single, devoted to Jesus Christ and Him alone at any cost, that our whole body might be full of light. In that day when the secrets of our hearts are judged by Jesus Christ that we may be holy and without blame before Him in Love. |
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5 | Predestination question? | 1 Tim 2:4 | Jephthae | 84942 | ||
Let me ask you a question. In 1Timothy 2:4 is he talking about all the human race or those whom he called. Mathew 22:14 says many are called but few chosen. When God called Israel out of Egypt whom did he call the whole human race or his chosen people. Obviously it was his chosen people. It is impossible for lost mankind to choose anything in their lost condition. Before anyone can come to God he has to call us first. It is not our choosing. If it was then we are greater than God. Eph.2:8 Do you think you can choose you parents before you were conceived. If you told some one you did they would think you were crazy. The bible does teach predestination but not of your self. Rev.17:8 says some people were astonished. Who were those that were astonished. Those that were not written in the book of life from when. The foundation of the world. That means that all those that were saved in years past those that are saved now and in the future were chosen by God.Deut.7:7 says God chose Isreal, Isreal did not choose God. I believe in a God that does what he wants.There is not one verse that says God asks lost mankind to follow him only those whom he has chosen.mark13:20,john13:18,15:16;19. There are many others but this should be enough. |
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6 | Predestination question? | 1 Tim 2:4 | DAIRYLEADER5 | 84948 | ||
john 13 ;18 is concerning the chosen 12, one of whom is judis,predestionation is relevent in scripture but you also hafe to include john 3;16, and look at the "whomsoever" part of it , god does ask all mankind to serve him, this is the reason god gave his own son for all mankind.look at john 12;38. this is just an observation.dl5 | ||||||
7 | Predestination question? | 1 Tim 2:4 | Jephthae | 84962 | ||
That is true but who chose the twelve. They did not choose themselves. Also John 3:16 is not a reference to all mankind. The subject matter is Moses in the wilderness. For God so loved the world Israel that he gave his son for it. Let me ask you a question. If you were in your home and you said lets all go to the movies. Does it mean all man kind or does it mean all the members of your family.1cor.3:6-16 Tells about lost mankind.Lost mankind can not understand the things of God let alone accept him. Read romans 1:19-20. Try to understand what it is talking about. Most people will try to make an idle out of the things that are made, moon, stars,sun.clouds rainbow you name it. 1Peter 1:23 says we have to be born again,James1:18 says we are begat. When you were conceived did you choose it yourself. It was impossible for you to do it. When Moses and Israel was in the wilderness could an egyptian choose to be in the camp no. He could not ask for it ,prey for it sing for it tithe for it.It was impossible. Whose part is it to bring forth life? It is the fathers you can not conceive yourself . Jephthae | ||||||
8 | Predestination question? | 1 Tim 2:4 | DAIRYLEADER5 | 84976 | ||
romans 1 ;19,20,vs 20 explaines vs. 19, all invisiable things, even the eternal God head, are clearly seen by the visiable things of creation,Dt.29;29.the chousing of moses and the house of isreal was based under law not grace, the gentile race had no way to God, jesus had to fulfill the law to establish us all as equals, jew and gentile. God states under the new covenent that no man has any excuse not to be saved, did not jesus procede to the depts of the earth to preach the everlasting gospel to those who were in captivity. moses ,david ,soloman, and all others hafe to go to heavan the same way we do, not by law but by jesus. God love | ||||||
9 | Predestination question? | 1 Tim 2:4 | Jephthae | 85062 | ||
Romans1:19-20 gives you and understanding how to interpret the scriptures. Verse 20 says being understood by the things that are made.Also read Psalms19:1-4. What are the things that are made. Everything in the universe that includes man. If you look at man and other animals how do the reproduce. Do their offspring conceive themselves, or in other words do they bring themselves to life? No it is the fathers issue. James 1:18, 1Peter 1:23, Begat means to be conceived.Born again here in 1peter means to be conceived. In other words seeds in todays terminology means semen which is the mans part. This shows Gods part in bringing forth life. Galations 4:19-26 teaches that the church is our spiritual mother.(see also Mathew 12:50) So all true christians initially receive life at conception. That is the fathers issue. The mothers issue is is to nurture the baby until it is born. The mother is the church. Remember birth is just bringing forth something that already has life given at conception by the father. After birth the mother cares for the baby by feeding it milk until it is able enough to care for itself. Examples of milk Hebrews and corinthians. (1cotinthians 3 Hebrews 5 ) Adult hood eph.4:15 and others. | ||||||