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1 | Confused | 1 Tim 2:12 | Morant61 | 147014 | ||
Greetings EdB! Which men? I would agree that Luther probably wanted the church to remain united, but he was not willing to remain united at the cost of truth. Therefore, a split was inevitable. I certainly can't see Luther being a 'pawn' of anyone though! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Confused | 1 Tim 2:12 | EdB | 147066 | ||
Tim Luther wanted no part of the division. In fact his stand was he presented his stand and was more or less willing to the chips fall where they may. However the power brokers of which there were many tried to force the issue. What Luther started as a religious issue quickly got transformed into a political battle. Of course Luther was forced to seek protection of a German nobility. Under this protection Luther lent his approval of many un-christian events. One the massacre of German peasants that revolted. You see even Luther was force to be political. The split in the church did not occur do to any of the issues Luther brought up. A simple comparison of his 95 thesis, which was actually posted for theological debate not an ultimatum as commonly projected, and what brought Rome’s wrath are two different things. When German nobility started to strip the clergy of their political power and wealth the break with Rome began. I’m not saying Luther was out in left field what I’m saying was Rome held the governments of the Christian World hostage to the threat of excommunication. Therefore Rome was able to sway governments into action and favoritism by holding this knife to their throat. The Reformation gave these leaders the platform what they needed to rebel against Rome. If they had attempted this before their citizens would have rebelled, but now fueled with the cry for religious reform they were able to throw the off the chains of Rome that once held them. Out of this started many state religions a church was started as national church of Germany which was later known as the Lutheran Church. The Church of England or Anglican Church became the national Church of England etc. In these various churches they often overlooked the fact the monarchs had divorced their wives or the government could unfairly tax the people, or the King could effect church doctrine. It became so bad in most of these countries that true Christians were forced to flee and many did to this great Nation. One of the hallmark issues of our constitution is that the government can not establish a state church. This amendment was placed there to counteract what had just taken place in Europe after the Reformation. I’m sure you knew all of this and I think if you stop trying to prove the what the Reformation wasn’t and remember what came out of it you will recall much of this. Think about the Puritans, Quakers, Amish, Mennonite and many others that flee Europe to escape the national church. They weren't fleeing Catholicism but rather Reformation Protestantism. EdB |
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3 | Confused | 1 Tim 2:12 | Morant61 | 147086 | ||
Greetings EdB! As I mentioned earlier my friend, I just don't see the reformation in quite the same light that you do! ;-) We will just have to disagree on this one! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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