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1 | Predestination | Eph 1:4 | Scribe | 41728 | ||
So what is the danger of believing one is either destined to salvation or to hell and has not choice in the matter? Is it possible, even probable that one that holds such a view, if they fall into sin will think they must be one destined to sin and cannot help it so why bother. So they go ahead and hold on to their porn addiction. Or more likely that they would say I am destined to salvation so this porn addiction cannot prevent that and I will not let it bother me, God will take the addiction away when He is ready in His destined time. Come to think of it. I know I have not met that many but of all those that take the extreme predestined view, they are living in sin. Go figure. Now I am sure there are some holy living saints that believe everything Calvin taught it is just that I have yet to meet them. Those I have met think nothing of drinking or other such fleshy things. They seem to have no problem with allowing a little carnality to remain in their lives. Am I perfect? NO but I will ask the Lord to show me anything that is wrong in my life, in attitude or in action and I pray I will see it and quickly repent. To continue doing something that I know is sin even in minor things is something that would deprive me of sleep. This to me is being a christian. Those people I have had discussions with concerning Calvin, all seem to hold on to various faults, they know they are faults and do not say they are not faults or "God has to show me" they know they are sins but they think they will just be OK anyway. Is this the fruit of the unbiblical form of predestination that man has no choice in the matter? I think it is. The same with the Baptist view of Once Saved Always Safe. Not that all Baptist take it this far, but if I believed I would still be saved even if I had a porn addiction, then does that explain why 80 percent of a baptist congregation will live worldly lives and only 20 percent really live holy. When you examine a charismatic or pentecostal church that believes that one has to live holy with as much as they know how to claim the promises of God , these congregations have about 20 percent living backslidden lives and 80 percent trying to live holy with all they know how. Is it a fruit of the doctrine they hear and teach? I think it is. All things in our personel lives are a reflection of the truth or error of the doctrine we believe. If two doctrines are preached both using scripture but the doctrines are so opposite they cannot both be true, how do you determine which one if any is correct? They both say look at the Word. I will tell you. Look at the fruit of the "word" they say they are trusting in. Is one producing a holy life and the other not? then embrace the doctrine that produces a holy daily life. God Bless you all. |
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2 | Predestination | Eph 1:4 | Reformer Joe | 41754 | ||
"So what is the danger of believing one is either destined to salvation or to hell and has not choice in the matter?" None, if it is the truth. The danger would be in not giving the complete truth regarding assurance and justification by God's grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Just because the truth requires some explanation does not make it any less the truth. To substitute what is more simple (or what is false) for the sake of ease of understanding is to dilute the gospel, and to misrepresent God. Incidentally, the doctrine of assurance of salvation (eternal security, perseverance of the saints, once saved always saved, or however you want to put it) is by no means a "Baptist"-only doctrine. With all due respect, I have seen a great number of people in your particular tradition who are nothing more than Pharisees, trying to earn heaven by their works; or worse, people who place undue importance on sign gifts as THE distinguishing mark of the "true Christian." You are a hypocrite by accusing others of following teachings that have no Scriptural basis. My wife grew up in such theological circles as you, and I can tell you dozens of stories of complete dishonor and disobedience to God by people who placed the teachings of men over the commandments of God. And then we can stop talking about those in leadership positions in these churches and move onto the rest of the congregation. The bottom line is that everyone would be very well-served by taking a good, long look at church history. An immense amount of the kookiness we see in American evangelicalism today would be remedied by closely examining the origins of such traditions. What we see today has all been done before, with different names and different saints being raised up to defend the truth of God's Word against such false traditions that crop up over and over again. --Joe! |
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