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1 | Predestination | Eph 1:4 | Reformer Joe | 41814 | ||
You wrote: 'I know that a man is going to be affected by other teachings he has heard, but you can still make a conscience effort when you approach scripture to say "God I want to see things clearly, if I am having a wrong understanding becuase I have heard things said a certain way and it is not in the bible let me see that and agree with your word instead."' Yes, but again you are overlooking the fact that our minds are stained by sin, and the Holy Spirit works through the preaching of His Word as well. What do you say to an individual who goes off on her own with sincere efforts to hear what the Spirit says, and comes back with interpretations that contradict your sincerely sought-after views? Did the Holy Spirit speak to her or to you? Or does He contradict Himself? This is why God has constantly worked both in the individual believer and collectively within His church. If your view is in left field compared with historic Christianity (2000 years of millions of people of God searching the Scriptures and seeking to maintain and pass on the traditions of the apostles), then chances are that you are the one in error. You wrote: "Can it be that a person reading the Bible today with that heart might see something that is not taught in Bible School?" Depends on what Bible school. :) And again, is that thing that we see an accurate interpretation. Simply feeling with all your heart that God told you something does not mean that it was really God telling you something. Do you really think that, after 2000 years of the church, you are going to spot something that has been completely overlooked by ALL of those who have come before? Something "NEW" is generally something "not-so-new" and quite often "error" that has been previously addressed in Church history. Lastly, you wrote: "And the flock is hungry for this. About the last thing the flock wants or needs is to hear Calvinism. :)" So now you are speaking for the what the flock wants and needs? Please. I seriously doubt you have taken a poll of every evangelical Christian, explained Calvinism accurately (which I would bet a significant sum that you have wrong yourself), and asked them is they want or need that. The fact is that Biblical TRUTH is such a scarce commodity on this overstimulated religious landscape that that could very well be considered the "fresh" word that people have not heard and experienced! --Joe! |
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2 | Predestination | Eph 1:4 | Scribe | 41863 | ||
(continued from previous post) And let me explain "New Light" of course it is not New, but it is most certainly waiting to be "re-discovered" I propose only one example of many but an example that reveals how far we may still need revival if you consider it deeply. Take baptism. We have so many varied methods and means of baptism. We may be assured that our method is the right one based on the scriptures. And yet know one seems to follow the scriptural pattern at all. The scripture shows men being baptized at the time of believing in Christ. So that you get the impression and most scholars agree they did indeed go to the river and baptize the same day if not the same week after believing in Christ. Today even in our protestant congregations we save it until a convenient time when family and friends, and photographers can be present. What is this and from whence did it come? It came from reviving what was lost in the Dark Ages by the oppressive rule of the RCC, but you see how it has never really been fully restored. So it is with our methods of taking the Lord's Supper. Even those that are trying to be the most like the New Testament book of acts they know who still use the little trays of crackers and cups and pass it around in the church like an RCC ceremony. This is not how it was done in Acts and yet we keep doing it this traditional way? What difference does it make if your heart is focused on the meaning of the Lord's Supper? Maybe none. But it is an example of how we still have room to be "reformed" back to the pattern of the book of Acts and teachings of Christ. I could use many other examples such as doctrinal truths that we propagate because we were told by other teachers and books that such a thing is so and yet when we look for it in scripture it is not there. For instance, I know this one is not believed by even half of Protestants but Those that believe in a pre-tribulation rapture of the church all say we disappear in a moment or a twinkling of an eye. (I lean toward pre-trib but am not dogmatic about it) and yet the text says nothing about disappearing. It says we are CHANGED and rise. Not a hint about turning invisible. But it has been said so often and by so many "respected" prophesy teachers that no one questions it. Is it wrong to take a stand and say something "New" such as we do not disappear. Yes we change, and yes we rise, but there are scriptures that hint at the world seeing it, and none that say we vanish. If it is easy to see how this type of "new" understanding is possible (especially about such things as eschatology, of which Luther and others did not deal with exhaustively) then you should be able to see how we do indeed have room to grow in revelation not that opposes solid foundational doctrine but builds on it and brings us further into the light, as we press toward the mark of the High Calling of God in Christ Jesus. If I pastor and every time someone comes to the faith of Christ and is Born Again my church has a Baptism at the end of a service would I be different than the last 1700 years of church history? Probably. Would I be unorthodox? Was is John Locke that said " every man is orthodox unto himself and his own church?" If you measure orthodoxy by the book of Acts, I dare say I would be the most orthodox church I know. If I have the congregation meet and eat a supper in the spirit of fellowship and communion in the Holy Ghost and at the time of the supper we partake of the Lords Supper observance I would be much more in line with the book of Acts than the trays and pixie cups. Do I really think that is a big deal? I think it is a good example that though we may have come a long way since the Reformation, there may be still things we are blind to as it relates to our understanding in the scripture becuase we walk in the tradition of our fathers (church teachers) rather than the clear text of scripture. God Bless you All. |
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3 | Predestination | Eph 1:4 | Reformer Joe | 41874 | ||
Scribe: What you are describing here is the difference between orthodoxy (right doctrine) and orthopraxy (right practice). Your examples of baptism and the Lord's Supper are extrememly good ones. However, many Protestant congregations do exactly the thinsg you are describing here. Many churches baptize every Sunday (especially in those Baptist churches you don't seem very fond of). Other congregations celebrate the Lord's Supper in the manner you describe, and I think your arguments here have quite a bit of validity. However, these are questions fo right practice. Nowhere in any respectable Protestant church will you find a teacher saying "You MUST wait to be baptized" (unless there is some concern about that individual's understanding and acceptance of the gospel) or "We MUST use the wafers and cups or it isn't communion." Interestingly enough. my minister was just talking about this just last night before we took part in Communion. I think that the departures from the model we see in Acts is largely based on logistical problems than doctrinal disgreement over THE right way to do it. For example, in a church of 900 communicants, imagine how big a single loaf would have to be! It would be interesting to know how after Pentecost the church at Jerusalem celebrated the Supper, with all those new mouths to feed, wouldn't it? --Joe! |
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4 | Predestination | Eph 1:4 | Scribe | 41877 | ||
I could venture a guess as to how a group should do such a thing, based on the Spirit of God within me and in combination with my knowledge of the Word of God, I am going to guess that if that 900 member church were to meet in homes of smaller groups based on location and there partake of the Lord's Supper and fellowship around a meal and at that time encourage prayer, sharing and some public reading of scripture and the exercise of spiritual gifts as the Spirit willed there would be a great edification and spiritual renewal in their midst. That is one idea, and one that I would have faith for as I see the Word in context. (In addition to meeting together at the larger facility not in place of that.) |
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