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1 | The ransom - God or man? | 1 Cor 15:21 | alienresident | 132198 | ||
Did the Messiah have to be God in order to undo Adamic sin? All Scripture dealing with the merits of Jesus ransom equate him with Adam. Is his deity required in order to effect our redemption? | ||||||
2 | The ransom - God or man? | 1 Cor 15:21 | WalkingTalkingBible | 132209 | ||
Hi, alienresident, most definitely the Messiah had to be God for man's redemption. Who else is worthy to die for the sins of the world? Who else is sinless besides God? Understanding that Jesus is God in the flesh (John 1:1, 14; 1 John 5:7, 1 Timothy 3:16), the ransom is God. Through humanity, the relationship between God and man was lost and through Humanity (divine), man was redeemed back to God. Being a God who does everything decently and in order, He didn't redeem man via the Spirit (God is a Spirit - John 4:24) because man wasn't lost as a spirit. Also, see Acts 4:10-12. WalkingTalkingBible |
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3 | The ransom - God or man? | 1 Cor 15:21 | alienresident | 132219 | ||
Was part of the support for the trinity doctrine in the third and fourth century A.D. related to the necessity that Jesus be God in order to redeem mankind? If so, couldn't this be a case of circular referencing? Attempts to support that Jesus is God are not what is being studied here. Do the Scriptures support the idea that the ransom "had" to be God? I can find no basis for this teaching. Rather the evidence seems to speak loudly for another Adam, not God. |
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4 | The ransom - God or man? | 1 Cor 15:21 | BradK | 132223 | ||
Alien, You state something contrary to the teaching of Orthodoxy in saying that you "can find no basis for this teaching. Rather the evidence seems to speak loudly for another Adam, not God." How so?? What is you scriptural support for this notion? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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5 | The ransom - God or man? | 1 Cor 15:21 | alienresident | 132228 | ||
Luke 3:38: "the son of Kenan, the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God." Rom 5:12,18,19: "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned-- Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous." 1 Cor 15: 21,22: "For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 1 Tim 2:5,6: "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men--the testimony given in its proper time." How many human lives do you think equate to the life of God? If you feel that God went above and beyond the call of justice to provide himself rather than his son a ransom, I'll accept that along with John 1:1 and 1 John 5:7 (KJ) as support. But understand, this is not perfect justice. To exercise faith in the ransom, one must know what it is - including why it was necessary. Most people know more about traffic law than they do about this most awesome legal provision. Leave trinity support aside. Does Orthodoxy even address the details of God's justice expressed in the ransom? The two topics are related I'll admit. After all, God sent his son out of love that we might not be doomed to eternal death. Who did he send? Who was he required to send? Why did he choose his son? Why not the Father himself? Why not an angel or a newly created Adam? The truth should address these questions satisfactorily. |
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6 | The ransom - God or man? | 1 Cor 15:21 | BradK | 132229 | ||
Alien, Let's just touch on the uniquenes of Jesus Christ in 2 areas: "The Nature of His Birth His birth was, of course, the most unique birth in all of human history. Though ancient mythology was filled with tales of demi-gods who were supposed to be the progeny of lustful unions between women and gods (demons), there was nothing even close to the narrative of the birth of Jesus Christ. Christ’s birth stands alone in history. By the miraculous work of the Holy Spirit, God Himself took up residency in a virgin’s womb in embryonic form so that after a natural nine-month pregnancy, she gave birth to a son who was also God’s Son. He was the God-man Savior—not a God-indwelt man. He was both true and genuine humanity and undiminished deity united in one Person forever. No other birth was like this in fact or fiction. As a result of this unique birth, Christ was able to bypass the curse of sin and the curse of Jeconiah so that He was uniquely qualified as the sinless One to both go to the cross to die as the Lamb of God and to reign on the throne of His father David as the Lion of the tribe of Judah (Rev. 5). The Uniqueness of His Person This is found, as mentioned above in the divine/human natures of Christ—two natures united in one person. The Bible makes the claim that Jesus Christ is both God and Man. As God He created all things (Jn. 1:1; Col. 1:16). As man He was sinless and came as the sinless substitute to die for mankind’s sin. But the declaration of Scripture and the evidence of His life affirm that He was not half man and half God, but totally man and totally God united in one Person. He is God’s indescribable and unfathomable gift to the world. He is the most unique Person of the universe. No other religious leader has ever seriously made such a claim for no other could support it by their life." [Bible.org] My questions to you, with all due respect are: Where are you going with all this? Do you have a point and are you seeking answers? What is your background with regards to your beliefs? Are you a professed believer in the Lord? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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7 | The ransom - God or man? | 1 Cor 15:21 | alienresident | 132281 | ||
I want to discuss God's justice as supremely expressed in the ransom. The virgin birth of Jesus establishes that he needed to be a sinless, perfect man to begin with. The Scriptures indicate that despite repeated temptation and cruel ridicule and torture unto death, he maintained sinless - thus providing a spotless and unblemished Lamb of God as the redemption price. I am asking for the Scriptural proof that the ransom price for Adam needed to be God himself. I have supplied the evidence that it needed to be the equivalent of Adam. |
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8 | The ransom - God or man? | 1 Cor 15:21 | Morant61 | 132290 | ||
Greetings Alien Resident! You wrote: "I have supplied the evidence that it needed to be the equivalent of Adam." Can you repost or summarize the evidence for this? Thanks! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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9 | The ransom - God or man? | 1 Cor 15:21 | alienresident | 132315 | ||
See my post to BradK on Wed 9/15 at 5:21 PM. | ||||||
10 | The ransom - God or man? | 1 Cor 15:21 | Morant61 | 132317 | ||
Greetings Alien Resident! Thanks! If I respond, I'll respond there to keep the thread as clean as possible. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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