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1 | filled with holy spirit? | Rom 8:13 | Wlerin | 121258 | ||
As petty a reply as this is, you have now posted this twice, and I must respond. On the day that the 120 were filled with the Spirit, they spoke in tongues. Whether the tongues were known languages (as even modern tongue-speaking has been verified to be on occasion) or not doth not matter. The same language is used in 2:4 as in 10:46 (with the omission of "other") and 19:6 (again with "other" omitted. Also, speaking in tongues and prophesying are combined in the last verse, and they are often paired...but that is neither here nor there. *pause* Oh, but then it is true that the 3,000 are not said to have spoken in tongues, which I think was your point. Also, ... the many daily added to their number is very nearly a part of the first conversion (look to verse 47, not 27). Nonetheless, do not try to maintain that the 120 did not speak with tongues in the same manner as the other two instances (and...ponder the significance of "tongues of fire" in verse 3...) However, I do agree with you that speaking in tongues is not THE preliminary sign of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Rather, (and here I no longer try to argue a point, but to bring forth a (budding) idea)a different sign, of which tongues is sometimes a part, seems to accompany the Holy Spirit's indwelling, and not only in those filled. - See, for example, Acts 2:11 we hear them in our tongues speaking of (proclaiming, declaring, confessing) the mighty deeds of God. 2:46-47 ...taking their meals together with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favour with all the people. 4:4 it does not occur, but another mention of filled with the Spirit comes in v8, in which the Spirit moves Peter to testify of Christ before the rulers and elders. 8:14-17 Here the focus is on Simon, and not on the giving of the Spirit, thus the omission of what had already been described is not at all surprising. 8:39 ...and the eunuch no longer saw him, for he was going on his way rejoicing 9:5-20 Saul is never specifically said to have received the Spirit, nor is any description (of which there have already been many), however, it is clear that he has received Him by verse 20, since there he begins to proclaim Jesus in the Synagogues (no man confesses the name of Christ except by the Spirit of Christ... paraphrase). 10:38 Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power. - note that the prophets of the OT and Christ Himself did receive of the Holy Spirit, and He fell even upon Saul. 10:46 hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God 16:14-15 No mention is made of the Holy Spirit in this passage (unless "baptized" stands for both water and spirit). 16:31-34 Again no Holy Spirit mentioned (with the same caveat) but: ... and rejoiced greatly with his whole household, having believed in God (having accepted the Word of God to be true). There is a conversion experience in 17:4, though few details are given. Again, a conversion in 7:12. (Did you search for "baptize" in Acts or something?) 19:5-7 The Holy Spirit came upon them through the laying on of hands, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. Now. Someone elsewhere said that, since this is omitted in the other conversions, it should not be assumed that it was present there. Yes. And No. We agree that two Fillings brought the speaking with tongues. Many others brought prophesying (testifying of Christ... the Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy, or some such thing). And, the first occurrence of tongue-speaking involved speaking of the mighty acts of God. ... I see a VERY close parallel between the two. Speaking in tongues and Prophesying are, not one and the same, but one and different... from the same Spirit, but not just that. Prophecy is to the believer (or the unbeliever... Paul says both in the same passage), or rather, what I meant, Prophecy is to the one who understands the basics of what you are saying (at the very least, the language you speak). Tongues are for those who have no common point of reference with you. Er, mostly just a thought, a very young thought. Now, consider, along with many other passages, v9:31, the comfort of the Holy Spirit. This is apparently the Greek paraklesis... which includes the meaning of consolation, exhortation, etc. These are the functions of all the gifts of the Spirit, even those of healing and helps. I need to stop now, even though only a quarter, if that, was written. |
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2 | filled with holy spirit? | Rom 8:13 | Searcher56 | 121277 | ||
You failed to prove your point. Moreover speaking in tongues is a lesser gift - and we should seek it (1 Cor 12). Case closed | ||||||
3 | filled with holy spirit? | Rom 8:13 | Wlerin | 121279 | ||
My only real point was that the tongues spoken by the 120 and in the other two instances are spoken of in the same words (the only difference being of small import, considering how long Luke's letter is), thus, I disagreed with the fact that ye used different words to describe the first. As I said, petty. However, as for the rest of it, I was trying to show that the real sign of the Holy Spirit's filling is testifying, confessing Christ, that is acknowledging His sacrifice, and His greatness, and sovereignty, and rejoicing in this. Whether this is done through tongues (as with the 120), through prophecy, through words of knowledge, the goal of the Spirit is to lift up Christ. Anyway, yes, tongues is a .... gift, and we should seek it, but even more so seek to prophesy, and even beyond that, we should seek Love. I have a tendency, dealing with such things as tongues and prophecy, to become incensed and go overboard with my denunciations. In any argument, in fact, I often become polarized to one side or the other, rather than to the truth. This is a failing of mine, and I ask forgiveness. Also, note 1 Cor 14:40. Okay, yeah... case closed |
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4 | filled with holy spirit? | Rom 8:13 | Searcher56 | 121311 | ||
Tongues is a minor gift - not to be sought (1 Cor 12). | ||||||
5 | filled with holy spirit? | Rom 8:13 | Wlerin | 121315 | ||
do you refer to verse 31, "But earnestly desire the greater gifts"? Okay...but tongues with interpretation (14:5) is the exception to this. There is not, in 1 Cor 12 nor in 1 Cor 14, a prohibition against seeking to speak with tongues, but rather an exhortation to seek to prophesy, to edify the church. Still, aye, if yer prayers are occupied seeking to prophesy or to interpret, or to teach, or the rest, then ye would have no time to seek for tongues, nor a reason. |
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6 | Wlerin do you make other expections? | Rom 8:13 | Searcher56 | 121343 | ||
Scripture ... 1 Cor 12:28 And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. The next two verses indicate no gift is given to everyone Then verse 31 But earnestly desire the greater gifts. ... and why do you want to make an expection? ... even in your verbs - seek vs desire you do. The church had a problem with tongues (1 Cor 14) and they were copying the estatic speech of the pagans - what some churches do today. Wlerin are there other expections you make? |
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7 | Wlerin do you make other expections? | Rom 8:13 | WalkingTalkingBible | 121347 | ||
What are expections? | ||||||
8 | Wlerin do you make other expections? | Rom 8:13 | Searcher56 | 121351 | ||
Wlerin said do you refer to verse 31, "But earnestly desire the greater gifts"? Okay...but tongues with interpretation (14:5) is the EXCEPTION to this. (emphasis mine) WTB - Can you read? |
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