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1 | filled with holy spirit? | Rom 8:13 | Hank | 121207 | ||
WalkingTalkingBible and Leonore: Acts 2:4. The reference says "other" tongues, not "unknown" tongues. Certainly it has nothing to do with ecstatic babblings such as you, WTB, ascribe to it. Please bear in mind that "tongues" in this context can just as accurately be translated "languages" -- that's the meaning. Here on this day of Pentecost a language barrier existed. Jews visiting from outside Judea very likely had lost fluency in Hebrew and Aramaic. If these Jews were to hear the gospel, a linguistic miracle was necessary to make communication possible. ...... Another point, WTB. You say that the speaking in tongues is the initial sign of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (Ghost to you, I suppose). Where does the Bible teach that? [You won't find it!] What the Bible DOES teach is this: The Holy Spirit is the supernatural and sovereign agent in regeneration (the new birth). The Holy Spirit baptizes ALL believers into the body of Christ. (1 Cor. 12:13). EVERY believer possesses the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit from the moment of salvation (Romans 8:9-11; Eph. 5:18; 1 John 2:20,27). Ecstatic babbling, which you call "speaking in tongues," is NOT a 'sign' of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The only 'sign' we have is the only 'sign' we need, namely, the assurance of the word of God that His Spirit indwells the life of the regenerated believer. Reliance on our own feelings, our "beautiful experiences," to light our pathway and give us comfort and assurance is most untrustworthy and most hazardous. The word of the living God should be our guide in all things spiritual, not our feelings, not our experienes. --Hank | ||||||
2 | filled with holy spirit? | Rom 8:13 | Wlerin | 121270 | ||
To Leonore; Hank, and WTB Firstly, Leonore, I want to warn you. This subject about which we are, essentially, arguing, is not one of the foundational principles of following Christ, which are, according to Heb. 6:1-2 1) Turning from (faith in) dead works to faith in God (His sacrifice, His love for you, and His ability to both save and cleanse you, and to give to you a righteousness that will not fade), 2a) Instruction about washings (baptism and washing of feet) 2b) and about laying on of hands 3a) the resurrection of the dead 3b) and eternal judgment. I highly suggest, if you have not already (I didn't read all of your posts) that you read and study Romans, preferably with the NAS, supplemented by the AMP, if ye wish. One thing Hank said was unbalanced and I must address it: Yes, our experiences can be misleading, but the saints of old relied on BOTH the promises (not yet fulfilled) of God, and the works He had done, both in ancient times and in their own lives. God teaches us not only through the written word, but also through the reflections of the Word (which is Christ - the Spirit not the letter) found in our lives, in His creation, in everything. For the Law and the Prophets spoke of Christ, they taught of and pointed to Christ. The Bible contains the most pure, unspoilt and trustworthy shadow of the Word, but it is still a shadow, and there are many other ways in which God speaks to us, even through feelings and experiences. Hank is correct in that it is dangerous to rely ONLY on feelings or experiences for our light, or even primarily, but within them, seen through the light of the Spirit. I must cease, or I will start to argue again. Hank (and partly WTB). I realize (or think) that you are a moderator, however, this issue is not at all helpful to argue about, nor does it belong here (except by a very cracky tangent...hmm... cracky, er, yeah). It is not something that will deny to Leonore her salvation if she chooses in error, but confusion might cause her much pain. And...Christ through Paul told every church to be in agreement among themselves (and to a larger degree with all the churches). On this issue, Leonore needs to seek the counsel of her own fellowship, and follow their example, even as they follow Christ. I would love to dispute many of your points (and almost did) (to qualify or add to them, not negate them), just not here. |
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3 | filled with holy spirit? | Rom 8:13 | kalos | 121292 | ||
You couldn't be more wrong when you write: "The Bible contains the most pure, unspoilt and trustworthy shadow of the Word, but it is still a shadow, and there are many other ways in which God speaks to us, even through feelings and experiences." The Bible is not a "shadow of the Word." It IS the Word of God. It does not CONTAIN the Word of God. The Bible IS the Word of God. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "the foundational principles of following Christ." But the authority and inspiration of the written Word IS one of the essentials of the Christian faith. |
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4 | filled with holy spirit? | Rom 8:13 | Wlerin | 121295 | ||
*eyes "is the word of God"* John 1:1, 14 The Word became flesh, and dwelt among us... John 5:39 - You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify of Me; an you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life. Certainly the authority and inspiration of the written word is essential, and I agree. But the Word is not written, it is Christ, and He is Spirit and Life. but, still, Rom. 7:6 we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter. (and the remainder of that chapter.) 2 Cor 3:6 adequate servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit, for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 2 Cor 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Rev 19:13 His name is called The Word of God. There are many more passages, including one I could not find in which it is said that, "the word is breath (pneuma) and it is life." Now, there are many more verses, but I think ye should be hard pressed to find one that calls the Bible the Word of God. I haven't even touched the shadow idea. One caveat, the chief reason you won't find a passage is because it was not in canon form (the NT anyway) by the close of the NT period. By shadow I mean... incomplete, or reflection. As for foundational principles, there are others, and some of those need qualifying, but I took it mainly from that Hebrews verse. However, I must go... |
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5 | filled with holy spirit? | Rom 8:13 | srbaegon | 121301 | ||
Hello Wlerin, 1 Thes. 2:13 (ESV) And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God, which is at work in you believers. Notice in the above verse that Paul refers to hearing the word of God. The did not hear Christ. They heard scripture preached. And how about this one? Hebrews 13:7 (ESV) Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith. The leaders didn't speak the physical or metaphysical manifestation of Jesus to them. Rather it was scripture. And tell me about this last one: John 10:35 (ESV) If he called them gods to whom the word of God cameāand Scripture cannot be broken What is called the word of God? Not Jesus, but the Psalms--Scripture. Steve |
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6 | filled with holy spirit? | Rom 8:13 | Wlerin | 121305 | ||
Steve, thank you for the verses. I shall have to find a verse in which I can beat this out more thoroughly. Until then...gah, no, until then. | ||||||