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1 | When does the Baptism occur? | John 7:38 | CDBJ | 43800 | ||
Hello blessed, speaking of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, I see it pretty much the same way that you do. I would like to add some verses that might through some light on the issue. When John the Baptist was speaking about Jesus in Mathew 3:11 Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: John was speaking to a crowed that contained both believers and unbelievers. They were all going to be baptized by Christ, by one or the other with the Holy Spirit or fire. i.e. Those that receive Christ as their own personal Savior and those that don't will receive Christ's baptism of fire. Rev. 20:12-15 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Is this any help, CDBJ |
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2 | When does the Baptism occur? | John 7:38 | Makarios | 43802 | ||
Greetings CDBJ! Thank you for those verses! Yes, the Matthew 3:11 verse is helpful, since we know that Acts 19:1-10 gives us the only occurrence in the Bible where a person is re-baptised by water, and the verse that you have cited goes along with that. John the Baptist himself could not send or give the Holy Spirit, and that is something that only Jesus had the Authority to do, and then He gave all believers access to that Authority (Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:17-18). So that is how/why I could explain that Peter and Paul could lay hands on an individual to receive the Holy Spirit and John the Baptist could not. Thank you, and yes, your post certainly has contributed to this thread! Blessings to you, Makarios |
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3 | When does the Baptism occur? | John 7:38 | CDBJ | 43847 | ||
Hi Blessed, there is another verse that crystallizes my thanking on the baptism of the Spirit being at the point of salvation. Ephes. 4:5-6 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. The word (one), in Eph.4, is in reference to unification, the only thing that all believers can be unified about is something that they have no control over, needless to say, because it is done for them. All believers know that there is only one Lord, and that is Jesus, there is only one faith that unifies, and all believers have that in the person of Jesus Christ for salvation. All those mentioned are unified by the having the same primary faith in the one Lord i.e. all believers have faith in Jesus as the Son of God and are automatically unified at the point of salvation by the third person of the Trinity the Holy Spirit; thus as the verse explains, we have the Son, the Holy Spirit and the Father. The triune God dwells within all believers at the point of salvation and God gets all the credit. So who do we praise, our GREAT unified God who is one in essence and three in personalities, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This makes sense to me, what do you think? CDBJ |
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4 | When does the Baptism occur? | John 7:38 | Makarios | 43852 | ||
Greetings my friend! I certainly agree! Isn't it interesting that when we are baptised by water, we can pick the lake, the setting, the time, the pastor, the season, the method, the witnesses, or even if anyone else is baptised with us? I most certainly agree! When we are apprehended by God, we do not pick the time or the place! God convicts us and we repent and ask Him into our hearts on His timing, not on ours. When we are baptised by the Holy Spirit, it occurs at a time that we have not even begun to plan for. If we had began to plan for it, then would we truly be saved if we had? No one can control the workings of the Holy Spirit, and I pray that He pierces every heart so that all may come to repentence and know Jesus as Lord and Savior! My father was saved when he was about 19 years old. He had once read through the Bible, out of plain curiosity. He was saved at around 2AM in the morning (he worked 3rd shift) in a factory while feeding material through an edge-banding machine. He recalls the experience, and how he just cried. No one around him, not his co-workers or even his own family, understood him. But he was saved! And his salvation helped to pave the way for my salvation to take place many years later, since, because of him, I was reared in an environment that was conducive to the working and awareness of Jesus Christ (my father became a pastor). But I did not choose the time of my salvation either, even though I was brought up all around church, being in a pastor's family. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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