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1 | What are you saved from? | John 6:37 | SisterD | 15152 | ||
I have no idea why you said to me what you just did. It has nothing to do with what I said. All I said was,in plainer terms.....that there is no such thing as once saved always saved...due to the FACT that we all are prone to lose our salvation....based on the FACT of rather or not we live our lives pleasing to God with of course with HIS help and the indwellling presence of the Holy Ghost (not saying that salvation is of works...for it is not)I am saying that we all have been givin a free will to do as we please...we can live our lives in Gods live given grace and forgivness and will for our lives in obedience to him.... with his help or we can turn from God and die in our sins.... saying that if we trun from our righteousness and commit sin and if we are still in a back sliden state when Jesus calls his children home (the rapture) who ever is back sliden will be left behind....God says that NO UNCLEAN THING SHALL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN... He says to touch not the unclean thing and he would receive us unto himself. He says to come out from amoung them and be ye seperate... Ezekiel 18 tells it all....thats all I am saying. Once saved always saved is not so.... we are all prone to lose out with God..... |
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2 | What is eternal life? What is saved? | John 6:37 | Bill Mc | 15157 | ||
Dear Sister, I said what I said because I don't believe you understand what salvation really is. Did you read my other post? I agree, 'No unclean thing shall enter the kingdom of heaven.' So, the question is, did Christ make you clean or not? See Hebrews 7:25 - He saves us FOREVER. Ezekiel 18, while being holy scripture, is written to the house of Israel. Are you under the New Covenant or the Old, Sister? Dear one, if you think you are 'prone to lose your salvation' or 'prone to lose out with God' you have become victim to some erroneous teaching. Proof of this is in your statement, "if we turn from our righteousness..." That is exactly what Christ wanted the Pharisees to turn from. We have no righteousness. Our righteousness is God's righteousness - 'the righteousness that is FROM God' and it is a gift, it can't be earned. If you are IN CHRIST, you are His righteousness before God. So, Sister D, would you be so kind as to answer my question? What are you saved from? How can eternal life be eternal if it can be lost? In Him, Bill Mc |
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3 | What is eternal life? What is saved? | John 6:37 | Jules | 15164 | ||
John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life." Being saved is accepting Jesus' sacrifice as the only price which God could accept to buy us back. |
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4 | What is eternal life? What is saved? | John 6:37 | kin | 15251 | ||
Once you have accepted Jesus' sacrifice does not mean you will accept it the rest of your life. GOD guareentees us life if we are willing to take it. The decision isn't one day, it's a decision we need to make everyday. We can't take away choice. God gave us the ability to choose because he wants to have a relationship with us. God will not force us to stay with Him if we want to walk away, just like I can't force my wife to stay with me if she ever wanted to walk away. | ||||||
5 | What is eternal life? What is saved? | John 6:37 | Hank | 15258 | ||
Kin, I have problems with your analogy. In comparing the relationship of a regenerate child of God to the marriage bond between husband and wife, you say, "I can't force my wife to stay with me if she ever wanted to walk away." That's perfectly true, of course, but she nonetheless remains your wife, though estranged, until legal divorce is effected..... But doesn't the analogy somehow break down here, unless we're willing to accept the premise that God "divorces" those whose blood Jesus the Christ shed for their redemption? And would not one be hard pressed to support that premise by Scripture?...... Would it not be more scripturally accurate to use the analogy of father and son, as Jesus did in Luke 15, the parable of the lost, or prodigal, son? The son, although he wandered far from his father's care and acted in a manner that could hardly be said to bring honor to his father, remained the son. The fellowship was broken awhile, but the relationship remained: the son was still the son and his father still his father. Whether the son returned to his father's household or stayed on in the far-off country feeding the pigs for the rest of his life is a moot issue when it comes to who his father was. He was born as a son of his father into his father's household. That act, of being born a son, seals for all eternity his relationship as son in that household. Whatever the son does with his life after that does not and cannot change his son-ship with his father..... When we experience the new birth into God's kingdom that Christ makes possible by what He did on the cross, we are in a spiritual, but very real, sense the children of God, from that moment on, for all eternity. That is what is meant by the eternal security of the believer. Christ shed His blood on Golgotha's tree, once and for all, as redemption for our sins -- all of them -- past, present, and future...... To propose a doctrine that holds to the idea that salvation is a day-by-day thing, dependent upon how much and how often we sin, and that God must "save" us over and over is to say that Jesus must be crucified over and over..... Frankly, I've never heard of, and find it most difficult to believe, a single example wherein a truly redeemed child of God who said to God, "Look, I've changed my mind. I don't want your salvation. I want to die and go to a devil's hell and live with the devil and his angels for all eternity." Have you? --Hank | ||||||
6 | What is eternal life? What is saved? | John 6:37 | Morant61 | 15274 | ||
Hi Hank! You wrote: "..... Frankly, I've never heard of, and find it most difficult to believe, a single example wherein a truly redeemed child of God who said to God, "Look, I've changed my mind. I don't want your salvation. I want to die and go to a devil's hell and live with the devil and his angels for all eternity." Have you? --Hank" I have only encountered one example that I would think fits this definition. My brother-in-law accepted Christ as a youngster, grew up in the church, and was fully informed in theology. When he was about 24, he meet a woman at a baptist church camp. They got married and he completely turned his back on Christ. He is currently into every new age heresy you can think of. He won't even talk about Christianity anymore. He thinks we are all immature spiritually and that he has advanced to a higher plane of spirituality now. He is the only person that I have ever know personally who I think would fit Heb. 6:4-6. Like you, I cannot understand how someone who has known the love of Christ could ever completely turn their back on Christ. But, it does happen. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | What is eternal life? What is saved? | John 6:37 | Norrie | 15292 | ||
Tim, I know of a similar situation. A person on another forum had about the same story as your bil but he also was a musician and played w/many of the Christian artists too, claimed he was baptized in the spirit, was Christian all the way, but now is a pagan priest and a homosexual. I'd say that is a case of throwing away salvation. There are those that say, well, he was never REALLY saved, but how do we know? He claimed he was, he confessed it. But now he has a different confession and puts down Christianity every chance he gets. Then on other forums, you run across many people w/the same story who are rabid Christian haters now but claim to have been Christians at one time. I have run across some real loonies on other forums, make your blood curl. | ||||||
8 | What is eternal life? What is saved? | John 6:37 | Radioman | 15296 | ||
Norrie, you are truly one of my favorite people on the Forum. You have a great attitude. If I were in need of prayer, I think you would be at the top of the list of people that I would ask to pray for me. So, although I disagree somewhat, what I write here is by no means intended to criticize or offend you. I'll make my answer short. You write: "There are those that say, well, he was never REALLY saved, but how do we know?" How do we know? 1 John 2:19 (NIV) They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. Faith that endures is the only legitimate saving faith. Consider Matthew 13:20. Some people make an emotional, superficial commitment to salvation in Christ, but it is not real. They remain interested only until there is a sacrificial price to pay, and then abandon Christ. Always remember: we do not prove the Bible nor do we build doctrine on the experience(s) of people, whether the experiences are ours or belong to others. We do not establish Bible doctrine on case examples. On the contrary, we prove or disprove experience by the Bible. There are biblical evidences of genuine saving faith. Maybe we'll get into those soon. I hope this helps. Go with God, Radioman |
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9 | What is eternal life? What is saved? | John 6:37 | Hank | 15301 | ||
Radioman, sincere thanks for this post. I'd planned to post something along the same lines and about the topic of the security of the believer, but you spared me the effort and did a far better job that I would likely have done, and so I am grateful for both. It's no secret that I'm a Southern Baptist and thus a "perpetual subscriber" to The Baptist Faith and Message. We hold that salvation is by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and that this salvation is eternal. --Hank | ||||||