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1 | Once Save; Always Saved? | John 6:37 | zach† | 36120 | ||
JD; Let me assure all who may read these lines that the arrows and indictments which he may discover in these following comments are not directed against persons but against doctrines. Some sects declare that the same sin that damns the unconverted sinner, cannot send the Christian to hell. In other words, the sinner sins and is damned forever, but the Christian, who has been converted, may thereafter commit the same sins, but is merely - taken home to heaven! I have actually heard a professed believer say: "that if a Christian persisted in his sin, God would be forced to take him to heaven." If we follow this idea logically it means that a poor Christian who gets homesick for heaven and anxious to go before his normal time need only plunge into deep sin, thus making it impossible for God to use him here any longer. such a position would mean that the sins which damn a sinner will not damn a Christian. It would mean that the deadliness is taken out of sin the moment of conversion Which in turn means that the atonement of Christ, applied in regeneration, effects a change in the nature of sin. According to some, final salvation is not conditioned upon perseverance in obedience. The effect of sin after regeneration is absolutely nil in so far as its bearing on eternal life is concerned We need to answer the question: Was the atonement by Christ made to change the nature of sin, and thus save a man in his sin, or to change the nature of man and thus save him by separating him from his sin? Some teach that the atonement of Christ changes the nature of sin. They teach, the imputation of Christ's righteousness to the believer. This says not that sin itself has been changed in nature or has become less repugnant, but that it has been charged to the account of Christ, and his righteousness credited to our account. Some insist that sin breaks one's fellowship with God, but they insist that fellowship and eternal life are independent, and that one may lose fellowship with God without forfeiting eternal life. If the sins of the future are already pardoned, why should one repent of them when they are committed, or even attempt to avoid committing them? Unto you first God, having raised up His Son Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities Acts 3:26 Let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous man his thoughts. (Isaiah 55:7) He that covereth his sin shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall obtain mercy. (Prov. 28:13) The cry I repeatedly hear is: "Believe! believe! your sins were forgiven away back there on the cross; the work is all done, all you need to do is accept it." We were provisionally saved at Calvary, but not actually and personally. The death of Christ was an expiation for all men, but an acquittal for none. repentance is man's work, although the goodness of God leads you to repentance. God will not repent for man. Acts 17:30 declares "God now commandeth all men everywhere to repent" God would not command all men to do something that all men were unable to do. Thus, in the necessity of repentance we find personal responsibility. Continued salvation is conditioned on obedience. John 15:9-10, 14 Acts 5:32 Heb 5:9 1 John 2:4,9,15; 1:6; 3:10,15,24; 5:18 2 John 1:9; 3 John 11 A friend of mine heard a modern eternal security speaker addressing a large group of youth at a conference not long ago, say to the young people: "Girls and boys, be sure you are born again! Then if afterward you go into sin, and die in disgrace, I'll meet you in heaven." What's wrong with these pictures? 1. A man enjoys telling a dirty joke at work once in awhile, but doesn't see it as sin because he has been saved by grace. 2. Another person goes to a party and ends up getting drunk. Afterwards he doesn't think twice about it because God granted him grace. 3. Yet another man when 'hanging out with the boys' will cuss and swear once in awhile with no concern as to whether he's offended God because of the grace he received as a child. The examples go on and on: People using sexual innuendo's during conversations; people cheating on their income taxes or insurance claims; people having sex outside of marriage; people lying to one another; people showing disrespect to their parents; people willfully practicing all these things and if confronted about their sin displaying an attitude of "Oh, well, it's not that big a deal, after all I'm under God's grace". Again I ask, "What's wrong with these pictures?" Even those who might abstain from the sinful behavior in a self righteous way will still tend to question the Bible's authority and disregard anyone who tries to show them what God says in it. Yet, these very people claim to be a child of God through God's grace. Again whats wrong with these pictures? Grace and Peace zach† |
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2 | Once Save; Always Saved? | John 6:37 | srbaegon | 36129 | ||
Hello Zach, Let's dispense with the "straw men" and stick to Scripture. In Romans 6 Paul eliminates the error that you are purporting--that Christians will freely and easily continue in sin after salvation. Such is not the case. We are not to continue in sin (6:1,15) We are to consider ourselves dead to sin (6:11). We are not to let sin reign in us (6:12). We are to present our ourselves to God as alive from the dead (6:13). We have become slaves of righteousness (6:17-18). The Scriptures you shared (John 15:9-10, 14 Acts 5:32 Heb 5:9 1 John 2:4,9,15; 1:6; 3:10,15,24; 5:18 2 John 1:9; 3 John 11), especially John's epistles, are demonstrating the dichotomy of belief and unbelief and their characteristic behavior. If what you say is correct than every time I sin, I'm certainly bound for hell. Just how I'm reading you. Steve |
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3 | Once Save; Always Saved? | John 6:37 | zach† | 36138 | ||
brother Steve; We all are tempted to sin. Even Jesus was tempted to sin. (Matt. 4) Being tempted is not sin. Giving into temptation however is sin. When a believer sins that does not make us hell-bound. Sin in the life of a believer grieves the Holy Spirit, (Eph 4:30) and breaks fellowship with the Father and the Son 1 John 1:6-9. The conditional clause "If" in 1 John 1:9 is intended for believers who sin. We need to have no unconfessed sin in our lives. When we confess and turn from sin, fellowship is restored. 1 John 2:1 ¶ My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: Ro 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (all the pronouns in the above verses are addressed to believers in Christ Jesus) A continued life of unconfessed sin, in the believer, not only grieves the Holy Spirit, but over time hardens the heart of the individual, and if continued in will eventually lead to "Quenching the Holy Spirit. (1 Thess. 5:19). Grace and peace zach† |
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