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1 | How does John 3:13 fit with Genesis 5:24 | John 3:13 | Morant61 | 108029 | ||
Greetings Roaring Lamb! I pray that you are having a blessed new year my friend! 1) Allow me touch yet again upon 1 Thess. 4:14. It is not until v. 17 that the 'dead in Christ' shall rise. So, who or what comes back with Him in v. 14? ;-) My understanding of the passage is that the 'spiritual' part of man returns with Christ, then their bodies are raised in v. 17. 2) John 3:13 and Acts 2:29, 33: I just dealt with John 3:13 yesterday in the context of Enoch and Elijah. I believe that Scripture is clear that no one went to 'heaven' (in terms of what we mean by 'heaven') until after the resurrection of Christ. This would also be true of David. When he died, he did not 'ascend' to Heaven. He went to Hades like all the dead before Christ. However, after the resurrection of Christ, we are told two things. First, we are told that the Old Testament saints were raised. Secondly, we are told that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. The KJV translation of Acts 2:33 did throw me for a moment. If indeed Acts 2:33 used the present tense concerning the status of David, I would have to reconsider my position. However, the Greek verb is 'aorist', not present tense. So, it is in harmony with my understanding. David did not ascend at the time of his death, but nothing in the verse rules out that he ascended at the time of Christ's resurrection. Yet, you said of the verse: "Instead, we find him pointing to his tomb, emphasizing that David was still dead, followed by the explicit claim that he had not yet ascended to heaven." But, the verse never actually says this my friend. There is no 'yet' or 'still' in v. 33. Further, the verb is aorist, not present. 3) Concerning Ecc. 9:5 and Psalm 146:4, you answered your own question my friend. They are poetic! Poetry uses word pictures to express powerful emotions. But, I would not base theology upon poetic statements. For instance, the writer of Ecclesiastes seems to have no knoweldge whatsoever of man's future destiny, either in my understanding or in yours. He sees death as the end of everything - period. His writings are not the place to find our theological understanding of death. :-) I would say the same of Ps. 146:4, except to also not that it says 'when their spirit departs (NIV)'. Where did their spirits go? I don't base my theology of death on these poetic statements. Rather, I turn to the New Testament passages concerning death. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | How does John 3:13 fit with Genesis 5:24 | John 3:13 | stjones | 108124 | ||
Hi, Tim; Just a note to tell you that, as always, I admire your calm and reasoned approach to discussions such as this. We have disagreed now and then but you are among a handful on this forum whose opposing view is always worthy of close examination. At the end of the day, I may still disagree with you but I can understand and respect the process that led you to your wrong conclusion. :-) Keep up the good work. -Indy |
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