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1 | ever neccessary/permissable to deceit? | Luke 24:31 | tomsweetstir | 79644 | ||
If you overheard me tell someone, “If I live long enough, I will celebrate my 99th birthday on Aug 15th”. That is entirely true. And everyone who knows me will also know it is the truth. Those who don’t know me will “think” I am now 98. Wrong. I am not close to 98. But because ALL my birthdays are celebrated on that day, why should I conclude my 99th would be on a different day. Did I lie? No. Could some be deceived into thinking something that isn't true, is true? Yes. Did I lie? No. Was it deceptive? You tell me. Exactly how do YOU define ‘deception”? How does making the enemy believe something that isn’t true, make it wrong? Why did the enemy flee from Gideon’s hidden few? Wasn’t it according to God’s plan? Did the enemy know there were but 300 men? NO. Did the enemy know the men had ONLY lanterns and horns? NO. Was the enemy “deceived” into thinking they were completely surrounded and outnumbered? Yes. Whose idea was it to pull this strategy off? GOD’S. Should the Bible smugglers have pointed out all the hidden Bibles to the border guards? Should the midwives have killed all the boys and stopped the Jewish race?. Why do you think Satan had Pharaoh desire to kill the boys? Satan was deceived into believing as long as they keep killing the boys, the Messiah will die. But Jesus came through the woman. Two thousand years ago, Satan was deceived into believing that killing Jesus would end everything, but Jesus arose from the grave. |
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2 | ever neccessary/permissable to deceit? | Luke 24:31 | Morant61 | 79731 | ||
Greetings Tomsweetsir! I have been following this thread off and on over the last few days. The thing that has amazed me is that no one has really went to Scripture to see what it says about lying. Consider the following verses: Prov. 12:22 - "The LORD detests lying lips, but he delights in men who are truthful." Prov. 6:16 - "There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, 18 a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, 19 a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers." Prov. 12:20 - "There is deceit in the hearts of those who plot evil, but joy for those who promote peace." Hos. 4:1 - "Hear the word of the LORD, you Israelites, because the LORD has a charge to bring against you who live in the land: 'There is no faithfulness, no love, no acknowledgment of God in the land. 2 There is only cursing, lying and murder, stealing and adultery; they break all bounds, and bloodshed follows bloodshed." Lev. 19:11 - "Do not steal. Do not lie. Do not deceive one another. 12 Do not swear falsely by my name and so profane the name of your God. I am the LORD." 1 Sam. 15:29 - "He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a man, that he should change his mind." Col. 3:9 - "Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices" Job 11:11 - "Surely he recognizes deceitful men; and when he sees evil, does he not take note?" Job 13:7 - "Will you speak wickedly on God?s behalf? Will you speak deceitfully for him?" Ps. 5:6 - "You destroy those who tell lies; bloodthirsty and deceitful men the LORD abhors." Ps. 5:9 - "Not a word from their mouth can be trusted; their heart is filled with destruction. Their throat is an open grave; with their tongue they speak deceit." Ps. 32:2 - "Blessed is the man whose sin the LORD does not count against him and in whose spirit is no deceit." Ps. 36:3 - "The words of his mouth are wicked and deceitful; he has ceased to be wise and to do good." Ps. 101:7 - "No one who practices deceit will dwell in my house; no one who speaks falsely will stand in my presence." Acts 13:10 - "You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?" 1 Pet. 2:1 - "Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind." 1 Pet. 3:10 - "For, 'Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.'" Rev. 21:27 - "Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb?s book of life." ******************************************** There are many more verses in the Bible which deal with this issue, but I think these answer the question rather clearly! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | ever neccessary/permissable to deceit? | Luke 24:31 | Radioman2 | 79738 | ||
Tim: Thank you for doing a thorough job of providing us with verses that we need to consider if we are going to discuss this issue. It seems to me that in this thread there are at least three questions that are being addressed: 1) Is lying a sin?; 2) Define "lie" or "deceive"; 3) Are we obligated to tell the enemy all that we know? Before we can answer question #3, we must answer questions #1 and #2. You have answered question # 1 rather clearly. I will attempt here to define "lie" and "deceive". (From http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary) to lie is '1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive 2 : to create a false or misleading impression' - - - - - - - - - - 'de·ceive 'Function: verb 'Date: 13th century (...) 'intransitive senses : to practice deceit; also : to give a false impression (appearances can deceive) '- de·ceiv·er noun '- de·ceiv·ing·ly /-'sE-vi[ng]-lE/ adverb 'synonyms DECEIVE, MISLEAD, DELUDE, BEGUILE mean to lead astray or frustrate usually by underhandedness. 'DECEIVE implies imposing a false idea or belief that causes ignorance, bewilderment, or helplessness (tried to deceive me about the cost). 'MISLEAD implies a leading astray that may or may not be intentional (I was misled by the confusing sign). 'DELUDE implies deceiving so thoroughly as to obscure the truth (we were deluded into thinking we were safe). 'BEGUILE stresses the use of charm and persuasion in deceiving (was beguiled by false promises). ' |
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4 | ever neccessary/permissable to deceit? | Luke 24:31 | EdB | 79745 | ||
Radioman2 We are really getting into situational ethics. It is okay to lie sometimes but not others. Then the question becomes who makes the call, who says when it is okay to lie and when it is not okay? Obviously the nature of war has made some forms of deceit very common. For instance camouflage is a form of deceit. Misinformation is another form of deceit used in war. While they still are lies and deceit they are expected and considered acceptable in war. However in spreading the gospel we have to be very careful that we do not open the door for the adversary to put to shame what we are trying to glorify. Reverse the table, how would we feel if Muslims covertly came into or schools and indoctrinated our children to Islam? Do we see it differently when gay rights groups covertly slip in a teacher to teach our children the pro gay agenda. Do we say, “oh we do that all the time spreading the gospel in communist countries so I guess it is okay for them to do the same thing here?” No we get angry! Why because it is wrong, however it is just as wrong to do it for the right reasons as it is to do it for the wrong reason. We have to beware of the situational ethics trap, the door swings both ways. EdB |
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5 | ever neccessary/permissable to deceit? | Luke 24:31 | Radioman2 | 79748 | ||
Ed: You raise some good questions. However, I have never advocated tricking anyone into receiving the gospel or getting saved. Nor would I advocate misrepresenting the gospel in any way. Grace and peace, Radioman2 |
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6 | ever neccessary/permissable to deceit? | Luke 24:31 | EdB | 79751 | ||
Radioman2 I'm sorry if I suggestted that you did. I was just responding to the question in general without pointing fingers at anyone. In fact I wasn't point fingers I was just providing food for thought. :-) EdB |
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7 | ever neccessary/permissable to deceit? | Luke 24:31 | Radioman2 | 79755 | ||
Ed: It is I who should apologize. In fact, I did not mean to imply that you suggested I advocated trickery or misrepresentation. I know that you never said or implied that in regard to myself. I should have clarified that in my earlier post. Radioman2 |
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