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1 | ever neccessary/permissable to deceit? | Luke 24:31 | Taleb | 79544 | ||
Is it ever neccessary/permissable to deceive? 1 Samuel 16:1-3, in effect, states that the Lord was grieved He had made Saul king. The Lord instructed Samuel to go to Jesse of Bethlehem and anoint one of Jesse’s sons as king. Samuel said, “How can I go? Saul will hear of it and kill me.” The Lord didn't tell Samuel, "Don't worry, I'll protect you from him." God could have protected Samuel, but, rather the Lord answered: “Take a heifer along and say, ‘I have come to sacrifice to the Lord’. Interesting! Often during the days of the Iron Curtain, when those many countries were closed to the Gospel, men and women smuggled tons of Bibles into the land. At the borders, the guards would sometimes ask, “Do you have any Bibles?” The smugglers would be instructed to tell the truth – just not the “whole truth”. They would often have two Bible handy. They would produce a Bible and say, “Yes, I have one right here.” “Do you have more?” They would retrieve the other Bible, reserved for the occasion, look the guard in the eye and tell the truth. “Yes, I also have this one. Would you like it for yourself?” Whether or not the guard took the Bible, the hundreds of others in their possession would enter undetected. Was it “deception”? What was it when the angel helped Peter escape from prison undetected? What was it when Rahab hid the spies? What was it when Esther invited Haman to “supper”, so she could expose his hideous plans to her husband, the king? How many "more" do we need to reveal from Scripture to realize we are in a battle and, because the enemy desires to deceive us, we can surely deceive him? But those two on the road were not deceived because the end result of deception is one believes something that isn't "exactly" true. Those men believed Jesus had risen from the grave - and it still is true. :) Respectfully, Taleb |
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2 | ever neccessary/permissable to deceit? | Luke 24:31 | Searcher56 | 79547 | ||
Scripture ... 1 Samuel 16:1-5 ... Taleb ... Shall we read the text? You only put part of the text again, which is an error. 1 Sam 16:1 Now the LORD said to Samuel, "How long will you grieve over Saul, since I have rejected him from being king over Israel? Fill your horn with oil and go; I will send you to Jesse the Bethlehemite, for I have selected a king for Myself among his sons." 2 But Samuel said, "How can I go? When Saul hears of it, he will kill me." And the LORD said, "Take a heifer with you and say, 'I have come to sacrifice to the LORD.' 3 "You shall invite Jesse to the sacrifice, and I will show you what you shall do; and you shall anoint for Me the one whom I designate to you." 4 So Samuel did what the LORD said, and came to Bethlehem. And the elders of the city came trembling to meet him and said, "Do you come in peace?" 5 He said, "In peace; I have come to sacrifice to the LORD. Consecrate yourselves and come with me to the sacrifice." He also consecrated Jesse and his sons and invited them to the sacrifice. Did Samuel sacrifice to the LORD? Yes Was their deceit? No Was it wrong to decieve? Yes (Psa 34:13, 120:2; Pro 4:24; Mark 7:22 (20-23)) Searcher |
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3 | ever neccessary/permissable to deceit? | Luke 24:31 | tomsweetstir | 79552 | ||
Have'n been on a few such trips, as Taleb mentioned, I agree with Taleb's anology. I can think of many such places in Scripture where the Lord blessed those who “deceived the enemy”. You might have a whole different viewpoint on “deception” than Scripture does, because it "sounds bad". One reason the U.S. so easily “won” the Persian Gulf war was we deceived the enemy. One reason Israel so easily won the 6-day war was they used O.T. strategy that the Lord had spelled out, to “deceive” the enemy. Had the midwives followed Pharaoh’s order, as Scriptures say we are “suppose to”, who would have led the Israelites out of Egypt? Exodus 1:15f - The king of Egypt told the Hebrew midwives, if it’s a boy – kill him. If it’s a girl, let her live. The midwives, however FEARED GOD, to they let the boys live. What did Pharaoh say? “Why have you allowed the boys to live?” What did the midwives say? “The Hebrew women are robust and give birth before the midwife arrives.” In plain and simple to understand English – they deceived Pharaoh. What did God do about these midwives’ DECEPTION? Verse 20 : “THEREFORE God dealt well with the midwives.” Sounds to me like their deception was “inspired” by HIM. How many OT battle’s were won merely because the Lord had the Israelites DECEIVE the enemy? Even during the too many wars of my lifetime – God allowed us to deceive the enemy to gain us the victory. Those verses you gave Taleb, like Ps 34:15 – where was the guile in any example Taleb gave? Like the answers to the communist guards were true, so Samuel’s would be, had Saul asked him why he wanted to go to Bethlehem. Samuel could have honestly, and without guile, said, “To offer a sacrifice to the Lord.” Because that is what he did do - anoint David king. He wouldn't begin the sacrifice UNTIL David (the real reason Samuel went) was there. Don't neglect to notice that the Lord spoke about the sacrifice AFTER Samuel showed concern about Saul. |
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4 | ever neccessary/permissable to deceit? | Luke 24:31 | Searcher56 | 79566 | ||
I believe the midwives lied to the Pharoah ... God honored them because they feared Him, not because they lied (Exo 1:15-21). You also fail to read what the Bible says. You asked "How many OT battle’s were won merely because the Lord had the Israelites DECEIVE the enemy?" You tell me ... quote Scripture. What does the Bible say about deceit, lying, ... I have more verses. |
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5 | ever neccessary/permissable to deceit? | Luke 24:31 | Radioman2 | 79568 | ||
Has anyone here ever served in the Armed Forces? Has anyone here ever fought in an actual war (World War II, Korea, Vietnam, etc.)? If so, what do you veterans think? If a soldier lies to the enemy in the line of duty in order to protect the lives of himself or others, is he sinning? What do you all think is more urgent -- dying and taking pride in the fact that you didn't lie OR the survival of your fellow soldiers or civilians? Why would you feel obligated to tell the enemy everything you know? Also, the idea of sacrificing the lives of innocent women and children so you can boast of your sinlessnesss doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm not talking about situational ethics. I'm talking about what has more value -- your pride in your rigid obedience to the letter of the law or the lives of innocent people? Man was not made for the Law; but the Law was made for man. |
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6 | ever neccessary/permissable to deceit? | Luke 24:31 | Searcher56 | 79584 | ||
You can avoid my questions ... As a vet, all we gave the enemy was name rank serisl number. That was the answer to all questions. We were never encoraged to lie. Plus, we are not following God's Law. Nonetheless, my duty is to God first, then my neighbor (Matt 22:36-40) ... I am not the judge who is innoncent. |
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