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1 | Predestination | Eccl 6:10 | Michael T. | 197538 | ||
Since the Scriptures confirm (refer Ephesians 1:3-11 and Romans 8:29-30) that Election and Pre-destination to salvation are Divinely-accomplished Facts which were completed by God the Father from before the creation of the universe, this itself proves that Christ's atonement was always intended to be limited; i.e. not universal in its practical extent. Election as such is discriminatory in principle; i.e. an *election* inevitably implies an *exclusion from election.* Therefore, the Biblical facts of election and pre-destination to salvation inevitably implies that there will be an exclusion from the elective choice, which in this context is an exclusion from salvation of the non-elect; i.e. the Reprobate. Election to salvation and its inevitable corollary of Reprobation are both implied in John 3:16. John 3:16 in effect divides the entire human race into two groups; (a) those are given God's gift of saving faith [Romans 12:3; Titus 1:1; 2 Peter 1:1; Acts 13:48; John 10:26; Acts 18:27, etc.] and who, impelled by God’s sovereign grace, believe on and trust in Christ the only-begotten Son of God and who are then given everlasting life, and (b) all the remainder; i.e. all unbelievers, a.k.a. the Reprobate or non-elect, in respect of whom it was always the will of GOD that they should be excluded from salvation, and who all inevitably perish in their sin and unbelief [Revelation 20:15; Matthew 25:41; Revelation 21:8]. The wide-spread but sadly mistaken superstition that salvation depends upon the decision of unregenerate and therefore spiritually-dead and spiritually-blind people, has no basis in the Scriptures. Instead, Christ and His Apostles repeatedly teach and emphasise in the Scriptures that the sovereignty of God – Who works all things according to the counsel of His own will (refer Ephesians 1:11b) - always omnipotently prevails throughout the entire salvation process, from before Creation to ultimate glory. |
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2 | Predestination | Eccl 6:10 | Morant61 | 197557 | ||
Greetings Michael T.! First of all, welcome to the forum! Secondly, you wrote: "Since the Scriptures confirm (refer Ephesians 1:3-11 and Romans 8:29-30) that Election and Pre-destination to salvation are Divinely-accomplished Facts which were completed by God the Father from before the creation of the universe, this itself proves that Christ's atonement was always intended to be limited; i.e. not universal in its practical extent." The problem with this statement is that it is based upon assumption concerning the meanings of these terms rather that what Scripture actually says. For instance, did Christ only die for the 'elect'? Scripture never says such a thing. Scripture does say: 1 Tim. 2:3-6 - "This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time." It also says, Heb. 2:9 - "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone." Further, Rom. 5:18 - "Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men." Yet, there is not a single verse of Scripture which states that Christ did not die for all. Yet, inferences are made from Scripture to support that Christ did not die for all, inferences which are not justified by the texts. For instance, look at the verses used in your post to support the view that " it was always the will of GOD that they should be excluded from salvation." They simply do not say any such thing. Here are the complete text of the verses: 1) Rev. 20:15 - "If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Nothing is said in this verse about God's eternal will for these individuals. 2) Mt. 25:41 - "‘‘Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."" Again, no mention of God's eternal will for these individuals. 3) Rev. 21:8 - "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." Again, no mention of God's eternal will for these individuals. Yet, these verses are used as 'support' for the following statement from your post: "(b) all the remainder; i.e. all unbelievers, a.k.a. the Reprobate or non-elect, in respect of whom it was always the will of GOD that they should be excluded from salvation, and who all inevitably perish in their sin and unbelief [Revelation 20:15; Matthew 25:41; Revelation 21:8]." So, my challenge to you is this: Support your statement with actual Scriptural statements that say that Christ did not die for everyone and that God has always willed that some perish eternally. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Predestination | Eccl 6:10 | Val | 197580 | ||
Amen Brother Tim. | ||||||