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1 | Predestination | Eccl 6:10 | New Creature | 197465 | ||
Doc said: "According to the apostle Paul, God 'works all things according to the counsel of His will' (Ephesians 1:11). Paul said all things; not some things or even most things but all things." This is one of the few times I have ever seen someone of the Reformed faith say that "all" really does mean "all" and not some. Doc; I hope you are consistant and believe "all" in each of the following verses means "all" and not some. John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto myself. 1 Ti 2:4 who would have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth. 1 Tim 2:6 who gave himself a ransom for all; the testimony to be borne in its own times; 1 Tim 4:10 For to this end we labor and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of them that believe. Tit 2:11 For the grace of God hath appeared, bringing salvation to all men P.S. before you ask, no I am not a universalist theologically speaking. Let me close with this quote from an Early Reformer named Zanchi. "God doesn't decree which individuals will be saved, but rather decrees what sort of individuals will be saved, namely believers in Christ Jesus." Yours in Christ NC |
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2 | Predestination | Eccl 6:10 | DocTrinsograce | 197484 | ||
Dear NC, Actually, Professor Gundry said it. I'm glad I was able to draw your attention to Ephesians 1:11 (if not, Ephesians 4). A very cursory reading of just about any Reformed writer will reveal the consistency with which this passage is interpreted. That's to be expected, since the Reformed hermeneutic is based in the grammatical-historical exegesis of Scripture; rather than an individualistic subjectivism or experientialism of liberal theologies. The Holy Spirit is rationale and consistent. For example, this precise interpretation -- the one you've rarely heard -- is explicitly stated in the following Reformed statements of faith: Scots' Confession (1560), the the Heidelberg Catechism (1563), the Book of Concord (1580), the Belgic Confession (1618), the Canons of Dort (1619), the 1644 London Baptist Confession of Faith, the Westminster Confession (1646), the First London Baptist Confession of Faith (1646), the The Second London Baptist Confession of Faith (1689), the Philadelphia Confession of Faith (1742), the Abstract and Principles (1858), and the Chicago Statement of Biblical Inerrancy (1978). All of the Reformed commentators express this, too. But here are a few quotes by Reformed folks down through the years. "Here then, is something fundamentally necessary and salutary for a Christian, to know that God foreknows nothing contingently, but that He foresees and purposes and does all things by His immutable, eternal, and infallible will." --Martin Luther (1483-1546) "When we attribute foreknowledge to God, we mean that all things have ever been, and perpetually remain, before His eyes, so that to His knowledge nothing in future or past, but all things are present; and present in such a manner, that He does not merely conceive of them from ideas formed in His mind, as things remembered by us appear present to our minds, but really beholds and sees them as if actually placed before Him. And this foreknowledge extends to the whole world, and to all the creatures." --John Calvin (1509-1564) "The decree of God is his firm decision by which he performs all things through his almighty power according to his counsel." --William Ames (1576-1633) "His 'will' stands first as being the more general and comprehensive expression of the mind of God; for His will takes the widest range, exercising supreme control over all things and all persons in heaven and in earth -- there being nothing too great and nothing too small to escape its sovereign domain." --J. C. Philpot (1802-1869) "There is no attribute of God more comforting to His children than the doctrine of Divine Sovereignty. Under the most adverse circumstances, in the most severe troubles, they believe that Sovereignty hath ordained their afflictions, that Sovereignty overrules them, and that Sovereignty will sanctify them all. There is nothing for which the children of God ought more earnestly to contend than the dominion of their Master over all creation -- the kingship of God over all the works of His own hands -- the throne of God, and His right to sit upon that throne. On the other hand, there is no doctrine more hated by world-lings, no truth of which they have made such a football, as the great, stupendous, but yet most certain doctrine of the Sovereignty of the infinite Jehovah. Men will allow God to be everywhere except on His throne." --Charles H. Spurgeon (1834-1892) "Not only did God make this plan that includes absolutely all things that ever take place in heaven, on earth, and in hell; past, present, and even the future, pertaining to both believers and unbelievers, to angels and devils, to physical as well as spiritual energies and units of existence both large and small; He also wholly carries it out. His providence in time is as comprehensive as is His decree from eternity." --William Hendriksen (1900-1982) "First, if God 'can do all things' and 'none of His purposes can be thwarted' (Job 42:2), then if follows that for anything that occurs, God could have prevented it if He had wanted to. Thus, if God allows something, it must be because it was part of His plan. For whenever one is able to prevent something that he wants to prevent, he will prevent it. The objection that God in many cases might want to prevent something but does not so that He does not violate our 'free-will' fails because Scripture is filled with instances of God causing people to do His will (Ezra 1:1; Daniel 1:9; Exodus 14:4; Genesis 39:21), and because if God is our Creator He can, as Thomas Aquinas has said, cause us to act without doing violence to our wills. Thus, God only permits what He has purposed--what He wants, in some sense, to occur. " --John Piper (1946-????) In Him, Doc PS Jerome Zanchi, by his own admission, never delved into the study of the doctrine of election. If one is going to argue against election, it would be advantageous to quote somebody who has studied election. |
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3 | Predestination | Eccl 6:10 | New Creature | 197506 | ||
Doc While I appreciate the fact that you took the time to compose a lengthy reply, it doesn't specifically address the main question I asked you in my previous reply, which was whether or not you would be willing to remain just as consistant in how you interpret "all" (pas) when it comes to the other verses which I posted in my last reply to you, as you were in your one post to rachellynn. In Him NC |
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4 | Predestination | Eccl 6:10 | lionheart | 197509 | ||
New Creature, Good day to you. While all is a small word in comparison to others ( 3 letters ) it can and does carry some very weighty implications. With words like these usage can be paramount. With all is it all inclusive, without exception, with distinction. It can make a difference in our understanding of what we're reading. In Him, lionheart |
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5 | Predestination | Eccl 6:10 | New Creature | 197515 | ||
lionheart Thanks for the reply. Good thoughts In Him NC |
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