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1 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Swordman007 | 68996 | ||
Hello, justme. Yes, you are correct. I am not against monogamy or polygamy. As to my being the first person bringing this out in a well thought out manner, well, I would say that some of our fellow believers in this forum would disagree with you on that point. (smile) That's ok. One eventaully has to get to the point that we can all agree that we disagree. In regard to your questions, I would never suggest that a man take a second wife into the family without the full consent of the first wife. Although the churches in this country do not today find this to be acceptable, I openly challenge the idea that man-made institutions we call "churches" have a God-given authority to add to God's definition of marriage by saying that a "license" is now a part of how we define marriage. If that "license" were such a great addition to the definition of marriage, then it certainly has failed most miserably to prove its value. Organized religion (churches) in this country tend to "tow the party line" (democratically defined system of morality and theology). As such, they then logically breed prejudices within the minds of their adherents that seem perfectly logical to the average congregant follower, but is a serious departure from the actual teachings within scripure. This comes as no surprise to those of us who have taken several steps back from the mind control religion tends to exert upon its followers, and have instead allow scripture to speak for itself. Although I am a Southern Baptist, I am FIRST a follower of Christ and His word. This does not make me any better than anyone else. Simply because I do not buy into all the socially engineered theologies that the Southern Baptist convention (and all the other "denominations" for that matter) has chosen to accept as given does not mean that I consider all their beliefs to be false. To address your comments about practicality, you are right that most American women do not find a man's having plural wives to be acceptable to them personally. However, many women in America DO consider an extended family to be not only acceptable, but even preferable. I have spoken with quite a number of them myself. From the economical standpoint, it can be even MORE beneficial than monogamy. I personally know a family with three wives. One wife cares for and teaches the children during the workday while the other two wives and the huband work outside the home. (They simply refuse to turn their children over to a public school system that is very hostile toward family and moral absolutes.) With three incomes, they live debt free in their HUGE, brand new home. To look at the few bad examples of polygamous families in Utah and other places, and the abuses therein, and then use that broad brush in painting ALL polygamy to be unacceptable on that basis is without any merit whatsoever. I could point to FAR more incest, adultery, abuse and abandonment within monogamy than you could ever find within polygamy. Although that really is not saying anything because of sheer numbers, it does make a point about applying standards against what one does not like that he is not willing to apply to his own life. Does that mean that monogamy is therefore an unacceptable form of marriage because of all the abuses we can see within its existence? Not at all. People drive drunk. Do we then do away with cars? I think maybe you see this now with a little more light. It is agreed that incest and all other forms of immorality (abuse, abandonment, etc.) are against Biblical standards. What is staggering is that none of my opponents have answered my observation of how inconsistent our laws really are, and yet they enjoy trying to use those very corrupt laws as a reason for a man being limited to only one wife. Our laws allow a man to impregnate multiple women living in different homes without his having to exercise financial responsibility for his actions, but the man who seeks to acquire a license for all his wives, therefore exercising responsibility for his family, is considered to be a terrible law-breaker. The hypocrisy of all this is self-evident. In Christ Jesus Don Dean |
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2 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Hank | 69013 | ||
Don, it seems rather curious to me that you take the stand you do on polygamy while proclaiming more than once on this forum that you are a Southern Baptist. Being myself a member of the Southern Baptist communion, I want to reiterate a point that I made in a previous post: The Southern Baptist Convention repudiates polygamy. Your stand is thus not representative of the church of which you claim to be a member; one could label it an anomaly or, without going far afield, an hypocrisy. Inasmuch as you hold this view which clashes with Southern Baptist doctrine, and inasmuch as you view churches as man-made organization, why therefore do you even bother to call yourself a Southern Baptist? Do you attend church services regularly? Do your fellow Christians at the church, including the pastor and the board of deacons, know of your views, or are you, as one might suspect, an Internet Lone Ranger who is fairly itching to air the views for which no one else will give you the time of day? As Reformer Joe pointed out, you are a one-subject wonder. The forum has been civil to you, but the time has come for you to cease your monomaniacal pro-polygamy postings. You have had your say, convinced no one, and it's time for you to change the subject or move on. I am not especially inclined to be umbrageous, but in this instance as a Southern Baptist myself, I tell you frankly that I'm insulted that you, in airing your unorthodox views, place them in juxtaposition with repeated affirmations that you're a Southern Baptist. This is a disgrace to the church. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Swordman007 | 69078 | ||
Hello, Hank. Please let me make this clear. I never stated that I represent the Southern Baptist Convention on the issue of polygamy. I also never said that they are in agreement with me on this issue. Why would it be curious to your way of thinking that I do not agree with the SBC on every point of doctrine? Granted, this is a more radical departure from their dogmas. However, do you believe every dogma they hold near and dear? Do you have a formidable knowledge of ALL their doctrinal beliefs? It is probably a given that you agree with "enough" of their dogmas that you therefore feel comfortable being a member, just like the rest of us. Some Southern Baptist ministers once taught that if you are not in "church" every Sunday morning and faithfully giving your "tithes", outside of sickness, absence or some other relative allowance, then you are going to Hell. For any man to think that a man-made, religious institution (like the Southern Baptist Conventoin) can possibly be infallible in its belief system is undeniably a man steeped in a form of self-refutation and self-delusion. I think we can both agree on these points. The identification of my being a Southern Baptist simply is a declaration that I hold to many of the same doctrinal beliefs of that particular mainstream denomination. Others can better relate when they have a knowldge of another's general belief system. Yes, the SBC IS a man-made institution, just like all the other religious institutions in the world. Just because the TRUE Church happens to be populating those institutions to varying degrees, and even heading them, does not mean that they then automatically hold God's stamp of approval, especially when you consider the division that exists between them. Now, if I were a Mormon, most people would then know that I rest my case upon "authorities" quite set apart from the Bible; "authorities" that are known to be riddled with inconsistency and falsehood. Argument against those who do not hold the Bible as being the ultimate, written authority in defining doctrine and absolute TRUTH is like shooting at a moving target. Now, Hank, for you to say that I have convinced no one is pure assumption on your part. Unless you are God, you cannot possibly know the impact this has had in helping others to realize the need for ALL of us to take proper responsibility for what we choose to believe rather than simply choking down what we are spoon-fed by ministers. Remember, Paul called the Bereans "more noble" than the Corinthians because, rather than merely taking his word for it, they CHECKED the scriptures to see if what he was teaching them was actually consistent with the WRITTEN authority. Many ministers take GREAT exception to any of their congregant members not believing what they are being spoon-fed. Paul, whose example is being ignored by many, was quite radical in his thinking for him to uphold the need for each believer to do his own study in order to know TRUTH. 1 Jn 2:27 "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of ALL things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." (KJV) (Emphasis mine.) Thanks, Hank. In Christ Jesus |
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