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1 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | justme | 69012 | ||
Sordman007: I do respect your honesty, and the seriousness of deep conviction. Let me say again, you have a very well thought out presentation of your view point. I have never read anyone with such depth of study, and knowledge of scripture in regards to plural marriages. I clearly see you have devoted much time in studing this subject. I personally would not, nor could not have such a well defined, chrisp and clear defense to rebut your theory. I do agree to disagree with you, with kindness and respect. I think your bias clouds your understanding. When we have our mind made up, and so well organized with selected scripture, that seems to back up our theory, it is impossible for others to prove to us what might be an error, in understanding the wide scope of scripture. Rather than address the scripture you used, may I use what Jesus said? With out exact quotes. Jesus said to render to Ceaser that what is Ceasers, and to God the things that are His. Well Ceaser is our governing laws in the USA. We are told to obey the law. There is no way I can see that plural marriages is not a legal problem. Thus making it a moral problem with the LORD ALMIGHTY. I present this theory in respect and kindness. However Don, I wonder why such an issue, that is pretty outlandish, in today's world in the USA, occupies so much of your conversation on the forum? I sincerely doubt that your view point has much impact in the general interest in the lives of most Christians in the USA. I would much more like to read such well thought out theory on predestination, or Millennisum, or even eternal security! (Which eternal security has been a topic so many times this year we are all still holding our breath for a while.) In all kindness, I do not know of a single seminary professor in the two I attended that would give your theory any creditability. The word that comes to my mind is scripture twisting. I mean this with no offense to your personhood. I do feel and think you need to look at the lives of the people in the Bible who had plural wives and see that there was consequences for stepping out of God's direct will, into His tollerable will. There is quite a difference between the two. I have yet to read any where in the Bible that says pulral wives is good, and is God's will for men and women. Please think on what I have said. I look for your further dialogue. justme |
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2 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Swordman007 | 69070 | ||
Hello, justme. I can accept your analysis of my case if there is qualitative (not quantitative) justification. However, a man's being overly biased to the extent that he cannot see the truth is a two-sided coin. Please remember that the other side making this claim is just as subject to the same clouds of bias as the one to whom it is being directed. That is why none of us can legitimately lay claim to infallability. You see, I am willing to admit error if a clear, concise case is made to refute my position. All I have been given thus far in this forum are the "par for the course" argumentations that I have heard from many others outside this forum. Now, in relation to your personal life, this issue has been front page headlines across this country several times, so I would say that, YES, it is of great importance. It is even MORE important to me when I have close family friends with plural wives being accused by religionists within our many "churches", on an almost daily basis, of living in sin. Yes, justme, I can understand this not really being a big deal to you personally, but then you do not live in a vacuum. You too are living under a system of law that allows for a man to impregnate multiple women without having to take responsibility for his actions, and yet punishes the man who DOES accept loving responsibility for his family if he tries to acquire a license for more than one at a time. Please understand that I am not making a defense for polygamy on this basis. I am simply pointing out to you that you are not so isolated from this issue as you may think. There are two dikes living next to me. I had no choice in their being allowed to live next to me. Does the way they live their personal, private lives have no effect upon me? Certainly it does! I have talked with many a pervert who thinks that what he/she does behind closed doors does not affect others around him/her. We BOTH know that this is blatantly false. We all live in a macrocosm, not a microcosm. One man's personal life affects ALL those around him, no matter how isolated he may think his personal life is from his public life. Clinton taught this lesson to the nation quite strikingly, but America simply did not get it. Yes, justme, this may not appear to you to affect your personal life at first glance, but that only states that you have not yet become AWARE of the subtle ripple effects this is, in fact, having upon you personally. You are not at all isolated from this system of law that is blatantly hypocritical. Does God stand behind a government that enforces hypocrisy? Is that a government God endorses? These are hard questions, but they must be asked. Just as an aside: If a government agent comes to your door and demands posession of your food storage during hard economic crisis, are you going to willingly give it to him, even when you know that your giving it to him would place your family in grave danger of starvation, and violate God's word concerning your responsibility to see to the needs of your family? After all, food and raiment are a part of what a family has need of for survival that the man is commanded to provide. When an ungodly, tyranical governement demands from you what you have provided for your family's survival in accordance with God's command, what will you do? Yes, this is hypothetical, but it still demands thought. Paul stated that a man who does not see to the the needs of his own family is worse than an infidel. Even an infidel would defend his family and their provisions becasue of their need for those provisions. If you have the means to defend the provision you have made for your family and its needs, and do not perform what God has commanded, who do you think He will hold responsible for your family's demise? My Mennonite step-father once told me that he would not forcefully defend my mother against a man who broke into their house and began raping and killing her. My point in all of this is that whether it is of a theological nature or of a secular nature in regard to government and secular morals (whatever that is), these things ultimately have a profound impact upon us all, whether we realize it or not. Tyrannical and hypocritical laws being enforced by our government, that tamper with the family, IS a concern for you and the rest of us, whether you may agree or disagree with polygamy itself. May the Lord bless you and yours, justme. Yours in Christ Jesus Don Dean |
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3 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | justme | 69099 | ||
Sowardman007: Don, I have the feeling you are filled with a lot of issues bothering you. In compassion let me remind you Jesus said this is not our home. What you see and are expressing remind me so much of how mistreated God's Choosen wer abused. Your note makes me feel you are a sensitive person who see's how unfair life is. Jesus said if the world hated Him the word will hate us also. Speaking as a person that has experienced much physical pain, and some very deep emotional wounds, Christ Jesus will be with us no mater what we endure. Romans 8:37-39. I am reminde of pPaul who said several times he had learned to be content under all circumstances. This contentment is something only the Holy Spirit gives. No matter what our outward experiences bring, I can be content knowing my Lord Jesus is within me. Don there is no government that has no injustice, or the rich have control, and that total freedom is a absolute reality. Having said that, I spent one year in a Naval Hospital, and for more than 34 years had to live with the results of foolish selfish warmongers. I still can think of no other place I would rather live. If you think we are oppresed here then you need a reality check. I am sincerely sorry about what your step-father said. Let me bluntly say I would die to protect my family in such a situation. I have several Amish friends and some consevertive Mennonite, (horse and buggy) brothers in the Lord which My Wife and I have broken through and established a special bond of Christian love. Not all would allow what your step-dad said he would. Don, you sound bitter. I hope you find some peace and get a Christian world view, so you can enjoy being a Christian, rather than looking at faults and more caused to tackel. Peace to you Don. justme |
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4 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Swordman007 | 69114 | ||
Hello, justme. I can assure you that I am not bitter, but I am amazed at the gross illogic to which many people resort in order to "win at all costs." I do not consider winning to be the ultimate goal to a debate. The ultimate goal, to my mind, is to discover absolute, unadulteratd TRUTH in all its glory. TRUTH is a living Person, not a collection of right and proper doctrines. I guess you could say that my passion does appear to be rather emblazened, but then I explained WHY it is emblazened. It hurts to see these loving families wrongfully ostricized by religious zealots like the pharasees of Jesus' day. They will always talk about how sinful those families are, and all the time give little to no thought for those in need in their own midst. The arrogance and avarice of today's Americanized brand of Christianity is an ongoing tragedy of secular compliance and grudgery. THAT, my friend, is what helps to give force to my seeking out what others have to say on this issue. I have long since learned that thinking from the foundation of emotion versus thinking from the foundation of logic tends to shed much light on many different issues. We sometimes discover just how wrong we were about some key prejudices we held all our lives. Yours in Christ Jesus Don Dean |
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5 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | justme | 69127 | ||
Soward007: I have nothing further to add. May peace be between you and me. justme |
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