Subject: To wine, or not to wine? |
Bible Note: Charis Since that was your last append to me and this mine to you, let us be fair. This claim of yours, "Please note that for one claiming to judge no man, you have made it pretty clear that anyone that discusses the Biblical stance on drinking wine on this Bible study forum is 'defending alcohol' and 'causing another to stumble, possible sending them to hell' and even possibly proclaiming a 'lie straight from the pit of hell, greasing a slide of many it will take there.'” “These sound pretty close to curses to me." Taken outside of context these statements give the appearance of your claims however within context each carried a less accusational thought and were more of a hypothetical nature. They certainly weren’t meant to be curses or any implication of a negative situation in the lives of the ones associated with that verbiage. In other words I was not attempting to speak anything negative into the lives of anyone saying Jesus was making alcohol. Once again everyone keeps saying they are merely doing a “bible study” and I'm out running around the bushes beating back the demons of alcohol. Isn't saying Jesus, made alcohol supporting alcohol in light of the fact we don't know if it was alcoholic wine or not. What should have been said is, “the Bible does not say this was alcoholic wine or not, the word translated wine can be applied to both non alcoholic wine and alcoholic wine.” Had that truth been said at the beginning of this thread I would have had nothing to say. You say no one will use your thread to support or excuse their drinking. No true as "Justme" so ably stated, in the context of alcohol no Bible passage is better known than the wedding a Cana. I was helping a drunk out of the gutter one day, he was so drunk he couldn't tell me his name, yet he excused his drinking by saying even Jesus made wine. This man couldn't tell you the day of the week much less where he had been for the last day or two but he was a bible authority on wine. Why do you think that happened? For the same reason Satan tempted Jesus with biblical passages. If Satan can convolute the true message of the Bible to justify man's destruction he will. And man is all to willing to accept any reach to justify himself even claiming, drinking is okay look Jesus did all the time. I'm sorry if that is unkind or harsh but let the facts be facts. We do not know if the wine Jesus made was alcoholic or not. There are more warnings against alcohol and alcoholic usage in the Bible than there are admonishments to using it. We all know how easy it is to abuse, to become addicted to it’s effects. We have all seen the devastation alcohol has left behind. It adds nothing to the quality of life in its general usage, has a tendency to impede our relationship with God, and in many cases thwart’s attempts to live a life of holiness. Why, for any reason, would someone want to proclaim the virtue of something with that kind of record? EdB |