1 John

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NASB	1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
AMPLIFIED 2015 2015	1 John 2:2 And He [that same Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins [the atoning sacrifice that holds back the wrath of God that would otherwise be directed at us because of our sinful nature--our worldliness, our lifestyle]; and not for ours alone, but also for [the sins of all believers throughout] the whole world.

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Subject: An Arminian Consensus in the Forum?

Bible Note: John 9:41 (KJV)
Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

John 15:22 (KJV)
If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.

John 15:24 (KJV)
If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

Proverbs 26:12 (KJV)
Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him

Ken,

I asked you a question. You gave me more verses. So, again, I ask you: Ken, are you saying that these passages teach that a man is saved and sinless until he hears the gospel and must choose or reject Christ?

If not, what point do you wish to make with these verses?

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