1 John

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NASB	1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
AMPLIFIED 2015 2015	1 John 2:2 And He [that same Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins [the atoning sacrifice that holds back the wrath of God that would otherwise be directed at us because of our sinful nature--our worldliness, our lifestyle]; and not for ours alone, but also for [the sins of all believers throughout] the whole world.

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Bible Question: An Arminian Consensus in the Forum on the Meaning of the Unlimited Atonement of Our Savior, Is There One?

I don't see the following views as being necessarily mutually exclusive, but I don't see them as being the same either:

* Christ's death PROVIDES forgiveness for all men. (I don't have it, but I can get it, if I want it. It's there for the asking.)

* Christ's death RESULTS in the forgivenss of all men. (All have the forgiveness of sin.)

* Christ's death results in the forgiveness of every man of all sins except one. (Christ didn't die for that one sin.)

*Christ's death results in the forgiveness of all men, but they will still go to hell if they don't believe in Christ. (This makes forgiveness of no value. I'm forgiven but going to hell for not accepting Christ.)

Peace,

Lionstrong

Bible Answer: Armenianists are not Universalists. The only point, as an armenian, I would accept would be the first one.

No Armenian that I know teaches that:

1.) Christ's death results in the forgiveness of all men.

2.) Christ's death results in the forgiveness of every man of all sins except one.

3.) Christ's death results in the forgiveness of all men, but they will stile go to Hell if they don't believe.

I have never heard an Armenian teacher or Theologin teach the above three points. Armenianist do teach teach that Christ's death extends the offer of forgivness to all men not just to a few. We do not believe that Jn 3:16 is Jesus "speaking in terms so that the unlearned can understand" but, Jesus meant what he said..."The Whole World." Christ's sacrifice is offered to everyone and everyone has the ability to accept or reject this offer.

The last three points hint of universalism.

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