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NASB | John 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 8:24 "That is why I told you that you will die [unforgiven and condemned] in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am the One [I claim to be], you will die in your sins." [Ex 3:14; Matt 24:5; Mark 13:6; Luke 21:8] |
Subject: Was the blind man God? |
Bible Note: Hello Andy, I'm going to leave my final say on these points: 1. I never said I agreed with Tim. Those are your words. I don't disagree with his stated views on John 8:24, but I don't recall he or anyone else saying anything about belief in a "Binity" being required for salvation! This is your terminology. I'm not sure what leads you to make this linkage? You feel I'm in direct violation of #2! Hogwash, my friend. 2. I'm not at all aware the Orthodoxy holds or requires a belief in the Trinity to be saved. Not-withstanding the initial paragraph of the Athanasian Creed, I certainly don't believe that; 3. I would rather let him speak, but you're putting words in Tim's mouth to state he believes "that you need to believe in a Binity to be saved"; 4. I'm not clear on exactly what you mean by referring to this "Trinitarian Protestant religion". Can you explain better what you mean by this?; 5. Do I want to "waste my time" talking about credentials or do you want to join me in trying to figure out the truth to the gospel? That depends. Hear me out on this, because it's a very important point you seem to have overlooked. I don't wish to waste my time in dialoging with someone I know nothing about. Respect is earned. You've been on this forum all of 3 days. Repoire is built over time. Authoring some dozen posts doesn't get you that, young man. 6. Lastly, you've entirely lacking in transparency. My question again: Who is Andy S? We know nothing of your church or denominational background. Are you attending Bible college or are you a seminary graduate? What are your theological presuppositions? Do you have an agenda? Andy, 3 days on the Study Bible Forum does not gain you instant credibilty. You're a fool if you think otherwise. Unless you can do a better job in being more candid in your intentions, laying your cards on the table and being upfront about who you are, I will not waste any further time with you! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |