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NASB | John 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 8:24 "That is why I told you that you will die [unforgiven and condemned] in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am the One [I claim to be], you will die in your sins." [Ex 3:14; Matt 24:5; Mark 13:6; Luke 21:8] |
Subject: Was the blind man God? |
Bible Note: BradK, 1. I didn't say you agreed with Tim. I said, "IF you believe Tim on this issue". I want to make you happy Brad so I posed the question to Tim entitled "Do you believe in a binity?" He hasn't answered yet. If he doesn't answer that He does believe in a binity according to my definition given to him then I would question him being "well-rounded". If Jesus is claiming to be Jehovah then He is obviously claiming to be "one being" with Jehovah. 2. You say you are not aware that Orthodoxy holds or requires a belief in the Trinity to be saved. You missed my point to this post. The fact you had to know my credentials first clouded your comprehension of my post. My point is that Trinitarian Protestant "Orthodoxy" doesn't even know what "Orthodoxy" is concerning the requirement of belief needed for salvation. One leading Pastor who requires a belief in the Trinity is John MacArthur. If you have access to I-tunes I just listened to one of his question and answer shows last week. You can download this for free on I-tunes and it's the 9/5/11 show and he talks about the Trinity being a requirement of belief 23 minutes into this podcast. 3. What do I mean by Trinitarian Protestant Religion? Well, I know you like me to source the Bible but the words "Trinitarian", "Protestant" or "Religion" are not in the Bible. So Dictionary.com will be my source. 1. Trinitarian: The belief in the doctrine of the Trinity. 2. Protestant: An adherent of any of those Christian bodies that separated from the Church of Rome during the reformation. 3. Religion: A specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects. So put together I would say that it is a group of people who believe in the doctrine of the Trinity that separated themselves from the Church of Rome who generally agree on a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices. My point is that this religion cannot be true because people within this religion do not generally agree on a one specific fundamental belief needed for salvation. 4. You said you don't want to "waste your time" in dialoging with someone you know nothing about. I'm sorry but I don't think Jesus would agree with you. The Pharisees were the ones with the "credentials" and He was not concerned about their credentials? Did the Bereans ask for Paul's resume before they heard him out. No! They searched the scriptures daily before they accepted or rejected his claims. Brad, we definitely do not see eye to eye on this. The way people gain credibility with me is not by showing me their degrees. I could care less. The way trust is built in my eyes is testing the truthfulness of their claims in light of scripture. Brad, I don't remember ever asking you to dialogue with me. This last question, "was the blind man God?" wasn't even directed to you. It was directed to Tim. I could care less if you don't want to dialogue with me. Trust me, my feelings aren't hurt. You have added nothing to this topic. I'll be blunt. I'm a high school drop-out but at least I'm smart enough to google "Trinitarian Protestant Religion". Do I have an agenda? Yes! It is learning from others and proclaiming the truth to the gospel that I have come to know and love. Please do not chime in anymore. You are only slowing down this process. Tim seems much more passionate about the truth to the gospel and I'd much rather dialogue with him about the gospel and not about credentials. |