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NASB | John 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 8:24 "That is why I told you that you will die [unforgiven and condemned] in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am the One [I claim to be], you will die in your sins." [Ex 3:14; Matt 24:5; Mark 13:6; Luke 21:8] |
Bible Question:
Hey Tim, I have no idea what you mean by "you were baiting us". How did I know you wouldn't be the one to answer my question about the requirement of belief needed for salvation? However, Mr. Martin and you did disagree in your responses. If he would have agreed with you he would have said, "Yes, you do have to believe in a Binity because Jesus is saying in John 8:24 that you 'will die in your sins' if you don't belive that He is Yahweh (I AM)." Mr. Martin also never mentioned that I "must understand and accept the true nature of Jesus in order to be saved". If you read his post it sounds like I have to trust that Jesus is the Son of God and not Yahweh Himself. If Jesus is saying that He is Yahweh in John 8:24 then He is obviously saying that He is co-equal, co-eternal and con-substantial with the Father. Thus, if you believe this interpretation of John 8:24 then you must have to believe in at least a Binity in order to be saved. So, Mr. Martin would have said, "Yes, you have to believe in a Binity unless you will 'die in your sins'". Instead, He said that all I have to do is believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. You actually just admitted that some people disagree about the requirement of belief needed for salvation in your last post. You said, "MOST Christians feel that a full understanding of the Trinity is not necessary for salvation". WHAT? MOST? Shouldn't your sentence read, "ALL CHRISTIANS" or "NO CHRISTIANS"? So, In response to your first question, I couldn't have asked a more honest question in my life. I want to know how the Trinitarian religion can be true if a number of pastors disagree on the doctrine of salvation. WHAT GOSPEL IS TRUE? Shouldn't there be an exact formula revealed our Bibles of the exact requirement of belief needed for salvation. How do I witness to people? Do I tell people they will 'die in their sins' if they don't believe Jesus is Yahweh or do I tell people they will "die in their sins" if they don't think Jesus is the only begotten Son of God? My question remains: Can the Trinitarian Protestant religion even be true if scholars, theologians and pastors disagree on the requirement of belief needed for salvation? My agenda is seeking truth within the Trinitarian Protestant Religion? I hope you can help. God Bless, Andy |
Bible Answer: Greetings Andy! Allow me to touch upon a couple of your points! 1) What did I mean by 'baiting'? When most people ask a question, it is because they don't know something or haven't formed a solid opinion. Based upon your posts, you seem to have a very definite opinion on this issue. Therefore, your question was simply an attempt to bait a discussion. 2) What are we required to believe? Mark 1:15 tells us that we are to believe the good news. John 1:12 speaks of believing in His name. John 3:15-16 speak of believing in Him. John 3:36 speaks of believing in the Son. John 5:24 speaks of believing His word and in Him who sent Him. John 6:29 says that we must believe in the one He has sent. John 8:24 says that we must believe that He is 'I am'. John 20:31 says that we must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. Rom. 10:9 speaks of believing that Jesus is Lord and that God has raised Him from the dead. So, it is apparent that there must be a basic understanding that Jesus is God, and that God sent Him to die for us. This is a very basic introduction to the doctrine of the Trinity. Must every Christian be able to explain the Trinity in order to be a Christian? I would say no! Like I said, I was six when I was saved. So, I am not sure what your issue really is? Jesus is God and He is also the Son of God. Your Brother in Christ. Tim Moran |