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NASB | John 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 8:24 "That is why I told you that you will die [unforgiven and condemned] in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am the One [I claim to be], you will die in your sins." [Ex 3:14; Matt 24:5; Mark 13:6; Luke 21:8] |
Bible Question:
Hey Tim, Wow, it took a long time but we finally see eye to eye one one thing. I agree, I will never be able to understand our infinite God. I don't know why we would have to meet face to face. I think you can be much clearer through e-mailing because you have a delete button if you want to take anything back that you have written. We have been talking about the truth of the gospel and since the gospel is simple it should be easy to give a clear answer. You said there is not a long checklist of doctrine that one must believe in order to be saved. Your checklist is longer than mine my friend because of how you interpret John 8:24. Wait just a second. I can't believe I have to ask you this again but how do you interpret John 8:24. I said we had to slow down for BradK but now we have to slow down for my sake. I promised BradK you are "well-rounded" but now I'm not so sure. Your going to really have to explain yourself. You said you disagree with my former pastor's understanding of John 8:24. Let me put you in a hypothetical scenario. You are having a Bible Study at a coffee shop with my former Pastor and you guys agree that Jesus is claiming to be Jehovah through these "I am" statements in John chapter 8. And my former pastor says, "People will "die in their sins" if they don't believe Jesus is co-equal, co-eternal and con-substantial (one being) with the person of Jehovah. If Jesus is claiming to be Jehovah then He is obviously claiming to be the "being" of Jehovah". And you respond, "Yes I agree that Jesus is claiming to be Jehovah in these verses but I disagree with you because....". Can you please complete this sentence for me? If you don't mind I'm going to send people over to this thread so we can just use one thread. I want to respond to your other thread but I would like this question answered and I'm going to use that thread to notify people we are now using this thread. So ignore your second e-mail. I just read your last sentence. I take it back, there are two things we have agreed on. "Truth is truth because it is true, not because everyone agrees with it." THAT'S THE TRUTH! God Bless and Happy Thanksgiving, Andy |
Bible Answer: Greetings Andy! The reason I mentioned meeting face to face (not that it will probably ever happen) is that posts are not a very effective way to communicate. As evidence, even though I have explained several times what I believe about John 8:24 and salvation, you are still asking for me to answer. To begin my answer again, allow me to quote from JFB: "if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins — They knew well enough what He meant (Mar_13:6, Greek; compare Mat_24:5). But He would not, by speaking it out, give them the materials for a charge for which they were watching. At the same time, one is irresistibly reminded by such language, so far transcending what is becoming in men, of those ancient declarations of the God of Israel, “I AM HE” (Deu_32:39; Isa_43:10, Isa_43:13; Isa_46:4; Isa_48:12). See on Joh_6:20." Jesus is fully God. He is God incarnate. He is the Son of God. He is our Priest, our King, and Our Sacrifice. One cannot be saved if they do not understand at least some of this about Jesus. But, our understanding about Jesus prior to salvation, during salvation, and even in Heaven, is progressive in nature. Must someone fully understand the truth of His nature in order to be saved? NO! NO! NO! That is where I disagree with your former pastor's statement. Someone need not be able to fully explain the doctrine of the Trinity in order to be saved! However, someone cannot also not be saved if they believe that Jesus is just a great teacher, a man with wonderful insights. Now, I have answered your question as directly as I can. Will you answer a few for me? Who do you say Jesus is? Is He fully God? In other words, do you reject the Deity of Christ? Do you reject the Trinity itself or just the view that one must understand the Trinity to be saved? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |